Russian, for two weeks, in one year
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The drawbacks to the system (for me) were not learning grammar in a formal way and not including reading. But I learned a lot from them anyway.
rebeccanyc: I think you're right about going audio. Thanks for the URLs. Have you studied Russian?
Ukrainian people have been pressed in many different ways to learn and speak Russian indeed. Remember that even Holodomor (artificial famine) and Great Purge have been part of the Russification scheme. Therefore, you might receive more sympathy when having learned some Ukrainian instead of Russian. Mind, too, that addresses to the public, including both signs and voice announcements, are in Ukrainian now.
It seems to me that learing Russian because one is planning to visit the Ukraine might be like learning French because one is planning to visit the US -- less the proper sensibilities vis-à-vis Russification and its methods, that is.
Strangely they only seem to exist from German (not from English), but maybe that's no obstacle for you?
(Their site could do with an overhaul..)
Russian: on LT / book * with link to tape / CD ROM / download for mobile phone / MP3 download
Ukrainian: on LT / book * / MP3 download
For both languages the MP3 page also mentions a 'digital' Version (pdf) and a CD.
* "Wörter die weiterhelfen" opens three example pages from the book
A guidebook to the Ukraine that I've consulted lists major cities where Russian is dominant and other major cities where Ukrainian is dominant. It claims that Ukrainian is the prevailing language in Kyiv, where I'm to be most of the time.
First, I taught myself the values of the cyrillic alphabet in a day or two. That was easy. Then I practiced reading russian books out loud until I felt comfortable with the flow of the language. That was easy enough too. I read many of those russian passages into a tape recorder so that I could play the tapes over and over while I did other things. I supplemented that with language tapes recroded by native speakers, both vocabulary tapes (try the EXCELLENT Vocabulearn series by Penton overseas) as well as tapes of composed and structured language (literature). That ensured my pronounciation was fine.
Besides russian language literature, which can be ordered online...try these 3 excellent russian exercise books (these are russian publications that can be found on the web or sometimes in university or commerical bookstores if you are lucky):
*Russian As We Speak It by Khavronina
*Russian in Exercises by Khavronina & Shirochenskaya
*A Short Russian Reference Grammar by by Pulkina, Kuznetsov, Korotky, & Dixon
The key to all of this was that I was not worried so much about understanding WHAT I was reading...rather, I was concerned with learning to read and write the sound system....and especially concerned with teaching my brain to subconsciously learn patterns of grammar, syntax, and vocabulary. A couple of weeks later I went to my first formal russian emmersion classes and I was way ahead of my class and always remained so.
All too often english speakers try to learn more phonetic and less complicated languages the same way they have been taught english...which in of itself was often lacking. They make it more difficult than it needs to be.
Good luck and have fun!
Not really as strange as it sounds for two reasons.
One, unlike French and English, Russian and Ukrainian are highly similar so knowing one makes it easy to understand the other. Secondly, many people throughout the former USSR speak russian.
I have never learned Ukrainian, but many of my students in my "russian immigrant" language program were in fact Ukrainians whom I understood rather well in Ukrainian....or in Russian for those who used it.
Ukrainians recognize that we silly Americans aren't capable of learning the language of every country we speak. If you show up with a modicum of Russian, they will love it. If you show up with a little Ukrainian, you won't buy many drinks!
Never, never say, "The Ukraine". It implies a second class nature.
An added last thought, Ukrainian is a much more beautiful language and is phonetic as opposed to Russian which has many exceptions and many, many rules that foreigners never master.
I understand Ukrainian kids "think" they're speaking russian, and then get yelled out by their russian teachers for speaking "zhargon".
Either way, I cant imagine an english speaker learning russian without a heavy dose of grammar
unless he'ld earlier studied some heavily inflected language such as greek or latin.
I remember that before I learned a word of russian, my then to be mother in law (a native speaker) told me how to say things like "I want"
(ya chatchu) and "turkey" (indushka)...I tried to put it together, "Ya chatchu kushet indushka"
No! induskU. I thought turkey was indushka? Not when its the direct object of the verb. Busted!
Dont even TALK about verbs of motion!
As to 'indushka' and 'induskU'... you are lucky you were not asked : 'do you like to eat turkey' ...and if you'd , you'd hear not 'induskU', but 'indushatina' :-)))).