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The Name of the Rose: including the Author's Postscript (1980)

af Umberto Eco

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In 1327, finding his sensitive mission at an Italian abbey further complicated by seven bizarre deaths, Brother William of Baskerville turns detective.
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Uma história criminal inserida num mosteiro, no ano 1327. Alguns monges ambíguos a tentar resolver homicídios.
O desenlace foi brilhante. Toda a narrativa é absolutamente notável.

É o romance de estreia do autor italiano Umberto Eco.

Em 1327, o frade franciscano William of Baskerville e o noviço beneditino Adso of Melk chegam a um mosteiro no norte de Itália para assistir a uma disputa teológica. O que está em jogo é uma reinterpretação entre a Igreja e o Estado.
William of Baskerville é emissário dos teólogos e tem como propósito negociar uma reunião entre as delegações nomeadas pelo Papa e Louis IV o rei de Itália, com o objetivo de resolver o conflito entre o Vaticano, as ordens franciscanas, e Louis IV.

No entanto, a verdadeira missão de William é adiada. À sua chegada, descobre que um jovem da Abadia teve uma morte prematura. Foi homicídio ou suicídio? A morte de um segundo monge, indica claramente que alguém na comunidade fechada é um assassino.
Acompanhado pelo seu escriba, Adso, William inicia a investigação das mortes dos dois monges. O mistério só se aprofunda à medida que mais ocorrem.

Eco continua a complicar os factos do caso ao revelar que a abadia contém uma das melhores bibliotecas conhecidas no mundo contemporâneo. A biblioteca é protegida por um labirinto aparentemente impossível de ser navegado. William e Adso exploram este labirinto e os seus mistérios à descoberta de um livro desaparecido, o motivo aparente para os assassinatos.

Os dois enredos principais, o mistério do homicídio e os debates religiosos, entrelaçam-se sem esforço, alimentando-se um do outro à medida que as tensões aumentam e o enredo se engrossa.

Umberto Eco cria um romance que poderá ser rotulado como ficção histórica; mistério; teologia e filosofia; entre outros géneros.
Porventura o aspeto mais entusiasmante desta narrativa é também o facto de se tratar de um livro sobre livros.

“ᴀ ʙᴏᴏᴋ ɪꜱ ᴀ ꜰʀᴀɢɪʟᴇ ᴄʀᴇᴀᴛᴜʀᴇ, ɪᴛ ꜱᴜꜰꜰᴇʀꜱ ᴛʜᴇ ᴡᴇᴀʀ ᴏꜰ ᴛɪᴍᴇ, ɪᴛ ꜰᴇᴀʀꜱ ʀᴏᴅᴇɴᴛꜱ, ᴛʜᴇ ᴇʟᴇᴍᴇɴᴛꜱ ᴀɴᴅ ᴄʟᴜᴍꜱʏ ʜᴀɴᴅꜱ. ꜱᴏ ᴛʜᴇ ʟɪʙʀᴀʀɪᴀɴ ᴘʀᴏᴛᴇᴄᴛꜱ ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴏᴏᴋꜱ ɴᴏᴛ ᴏɴʟʏ ᴀɢᴀɪɴꜱᴛ ᴍᴀɴᴋɪɴᴅ ʙᴜᴛ ᴀʟꜱᴏ ᴀɢᴀɪɴꜱᴛ ɴᴀᴛᴜʀᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ᴅᴇᴠᴏᴛᴇꜱ ʜɪꜱ ʟɪꜰᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪꜱ ᴡᴀʀ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴛʜᴇ ꜰᴏʀᴄᴇꜱ ᴏꜰ ᴏʙʟɪᴠɪᴏɴ.”

Na Idade Média, a rosa tinha um significado concreto. Naqueles tempos, quando um grupo de indivíduos se reunia numa sala de reuniões, uma rosa era colocada sobre a mesa. O que quer que fosse discutido "sob a rosa" era confidencial e todas as partes reunidas concordavam que o assunto das suas discussões era sigiloso. ( )
  craly | Jan 24, 2024 |
I’m not sure what to say about this book. It is historical in nature, with a mystery involved at a monastery visited by William and Adso. Monk William is like Sherlock Holmes in how he observes details and puts them together to solve problems. He has too many suppositions to prevent additional murders, and in the end, it is explained. Novice Adso is writing the story many years later, in his declining years. It is not what I expected and I had to skip through some of the crazy descriptions. I also had to look up countless Latin words and phrases. I used the help of translations by Marco Tompitak who had shared them online. I definitely didn’t know all the involved and convoluted history of the Catholic Church. The story is set in the 1300’s.

The pace is very slow and when it does pick up, then the author launches into a dissertation on something or a extremely long description of books, beasts or architecture etc.

I feel like I deserve a medal for finishing the book as it was a challenge. The resolution for the murders was complicated and proves that pride and greed never bring happiness. ( )
  LuLibro | Jan 22, 2024 |
(3.5)

The content is Sherlock Holmes as a 14th century monk (William of Baskerville), the style is "Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norell" but more inscrutable.

The monks argue about the strangest little corners of Christian theology, speak in Latin 10% of the time, and are more interested in their own petty little squabbles than the fact that their brothers are dying.

It brings up a lot of interesting ideas - the ideological differences between William and the killer are something I've been thinking about a lot with modern day evangelicalism - but it's often a slog to get through. ( )
  AdioRadley | Jan 21, 2024 |
Hard read ( )
  Hello9876 | Jan 6, 2024 |
To frontload with the negatives, I think through most of the book my big concerns were

1) William is too obviously good (and also obviously based on Sherlock Holmes, which is funny but not bad). He regularly engages in long philosophical dialogues with other monks where he's clearly pretty much in the right, being more learned, more perceptive, and more aligned with modern ways of thinking. It's sometimes a little frustrating reading the other monks and religious figures being obviously evil in contrast, even if certain bits are based on real events and ideology.
2) There's a lot of just listing stuff - sometimes descriptive, sometimes just names of things. I'm bad with descriptions anyway but even aside from that it was unclear what the point was. It's just lists of signs.
3) Sort of following on from 2, there's lots of stuff on not only 14th century theological debates but also just general medieval fact dropping and I was never sure if this was actually making a meaningful point... this isn't a criticism exactly, because reading about history is very cool and interesting! But I guess especially with the untranslated Latin alongside it, it sometimes feels like, deliberately intended to seem "clever" in a way that suggests deeper commentary but isn't necessarily saying much deeper. This is maybe an unfair one, it's hard to explain properly.

But it was still enjoyable and compelling all the way to the end! And then the end clarified things and made a point of 2 and 3 and at least complicated 1.

Like, obviously the destruction of all the knowledge contained in the abbey is occasioned by William's desperate attempts to preserve a single part destroyed manuscript, even though he had correctly surmised what it said already! One of the things where William suggests stuff that *is* eyebrow raising is about "the simple" - the average uneducated person. and Jorge has the same objection to the lost book of Aristotle on comedy - the educated admitting the good of comedy is handing a tool to "the simple". Both have a complicated relationship with knowledge and dealing with how the uneducated experience it Ultimately it ends on a note that questions the value of signs and knowledge in understanding the world, which is self reflective in that it's clearly a book in love with knowledge and books in and of themselves. I'm not explaining it very well but yeah i felt the ending really pulled everything together well in a way that stuck with me and turned a good book into one that was great ( )
  tombomp | Oct 31, 2023 |
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On August 16, 1968, I was handed a book written by a certain Abbé Vallet, Le Manuscrit de Dom Adson de Melk, traduit en français d'après l'édition de Dom J. Mabillon (Aux Presses de l'Abbaye de la Source, Paris, 1842). Supplemented by historical information that was actually quite scant, the book claimed to reproduce faithfully a fourteenth-century manuscript that, in its turn, had been found in the monastery of Melk by the great eighteenth-century man of learning, to whom we owe so much information about the history of the Benedictine order. The scholarly discovery (I mean mine, the third in chronological order) entertained me while I was in Prague, waiting for a dear friend. Six days later Soviet troops invaded that unhappy city. I managed, not without adventure, to reach the Austrian border at Linz, and from there I journeyed to Vienna, where I met my beloved, and together we sailed up the Danube.
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Adso's manuscript is divided into seven days, and each day into periods corresponding to the liturgical hours. The subtitles, in the third person, were probably added by Vallet. But since they are helpful in orienting the reader, and since this usage is also not unknown to much of the vernacular literature of the period, I did not feel it necessary to eliminate them.
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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This was beginning with God and the duty of every faithful monk would be to repeat every day with chanting humility the one never-changing event whose incontrovertible truth can be asserted. But we see now through a glass darkly, and the truth, before it is revealed to all, face to face, we see in fragments (alas, how illegible) in the error of the world, so we must spell out its faithful signals even when they seem obscure to us and as if amalgamated with a will wholly bent on evil.
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It was a beautiful morning at the end of November. During the night it had snowed, but only a little, and the earth was covered with a cool blanket no more than three fingers high. In the darkness, immediately after lauds, we heard Mass in a village in the valley. Then we set off toward the mountain, as the sun first appeared.
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