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Fiasco (1985)

af Stanisław Lem

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The planet Quinta is pocked by ugly mounds and covered by a spiderweb-like network. It is a kingdom of phantoms and of a beauty afflicted by madness. In stark contrast, the crew of the spaceship Hermes represents a knowledge-seeking Earth. As they approach Quinta, a dark poetry takes over and leads them into a nightmare of misunderstanding. Translated by Michael Kandel. A Helen and Kurt Wolff Book… (mere)
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90% manual de motoare, macarale și rachete a la „realism socialist” - ce-i drept, detaliat, imaginativ tehnic în stil de anii 80, cu pistoane și asemenea, și aparent funcțional, nu stil mambo-jambo. De aici cele 2 stele.
În rest... plictis maxim, filosofie semi-religioasă de trei parale, cam multă depresie a autorului, o urmă vagă de poveste prost închegată (vreo 10% din carte), un singur personaj foarte slab dezvoltat și folosit, restul fiind doar niște nume fără vreun rol, caracteristică sau utilitate în afară de a da replici greoaie - plus un final de-ți vine să-ți bagi plua în ea de viață (se crede mult prea deștept pentru omenirea asta și se confirmă - eu cert nu am înțeles nimic, deci pentru mine chiar a fost prea deștept).
Apropo, semi-spoiler. Teoretic e SF de prim contact. Practic o vagă tatonare are loc de abia în ultimele 50 pag din 403 (!!), iar contactul în ultimele 2 rânduri și atât. O așteptare care nu a meritat deloc.
O corvoadă de citit și după mine fără nicio valoare literară sau sefistică, ceea ce m-a uimit, fiindcă pe Solaris l-am considerat de 5/5.
Nu o recomand decât celor mai mari dușmani ai mei. Am câțiva prin roSF, sper să o citească :D ( )
  milosdumbraci | May 5, 2023 |
There are parts of this I delighted in, but I think I have too many issues with this one.

The story starts us with the pilot Parvis who is making a delivery run to Titan and discovers that a few people have been lost on the moon, including his mentor Pirx (of the Pirx the Pilot stories). He takes a mech out to find them but ultimately must freeze himself in a cryo pod.

Jump to the future where Eurydice is heading to make first contact with a planet. On board they've taken aboard the missing people including two pilots who have been in cryo, both of whom have names starting with P, but they don't have any more information than that. They randomly choose one to bring out of cryo, using organs from the others, but also know that the one that the bring back will have amnesia.

"Oh. So this will be important then!" I think "whether it's Pirx or Parvis will be an integral part of this story". Dear reader, let me dispel you of this notion. It's not. He never learns or if he does, he doesn't reveal it. And given that Lem mentions the fact that they are pretty similar personalities I'm not entirely sure what I was expecting. Just something I guess.

Anyway the resurected pilot picks up a book which the doctor gave him. And reads it. It's not important to the plot, but there you go. Previously one of the scientest was telling a story about El Derado. It's also tangental to the plot, but goes for pages.

And so here's my actual issue with this book. Why has it been stuffed with stories that have no impact on the rest of the story? I may have read that these were drafts of other stories Lem had lying around and had used as the basis, but in my mind he's being paid by word count here. You could argue that he's used the stories about discovery to tell us something about how man has always sought out new worlds and blundered, but I'm not entirely convinced that he achieves this even if it was his intention.

It's slog for slogs sake.

Anyway, the Eurydice is heading for a planet designated Quinta and doing so in a way that means that the will return soonish after they left Earth. Lem tackled the issue of contact with other worlds and the pointlessness of it in [b:Return From the Stars|251648|Return From the Stars|Stanisław Lem|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1328875060l/251648._SX50_.jpg|457761] and here he goes to great lengths to prove that travel to other stars in this short time period is possible. Great lengths.

Here, let's stop and grumble about how often the action in this book stops in order to drop into research paper territory. A great deal of history is laid out as to how the ships drive was created and how it's scientifically possible and I really didn't care.

Later, he goes into dissecting the arguments of the characters. Not by y'know having the characters have a discussion, no, it's in third person. Urhgh. It ends up being so dry.

So the pilot has two goals. One to remember who he is (or decide he doesn't care) and two to learn enough to be selected as the second pilot on the team that will be travelling on the smaller ship to Quinta, the Hermes, while the Eurydice stays away. Great so I'm now having to learn what he learns.

So he gets selected to go on the Hermes. Yah! We're about halfway through the book and they're still not at the planet. But spying on the planet they realise that it's full of signals and interference with each other, the planet has a ring of ice in it's atmosphere that appears to have been put up there by the locals from the sea and in orbit around the planet are many probes or satellite like things. They aim to catch one and it turns out to be biomechanical but diseased and the eventual decided upon theory is that there's a war on and that the infection was deliberate from the other side of Quinta.

The ship has an onboard computer, DEUS. And there's sort of a weird hierarchy where the captain, but the onboard computer tracks the mental health of the crew and if there's an issue with any of the crew, lets the captain and doctor know and they then need to handle it.

So what if the virus that diseased the probe that they caught infected DEUS. Eh, it doesn't happen. But DEUS often behaves weirdly.

The crew try to contact the planet with no success. Eventually they decide that the planet is ignoring them instead of not being able to understand and then start threatening them and this is where the book just entirely lost me. Because they carry out those threats, by destroying the moon.

What gets me is that it presumes that the threats could be understood and also the time limit could be understood. Which really?

They get contact, but things escalate, they send a fake Hermes down, it gets destroyed, they destroy the ice ring, get agreeement from one of the sides of the conflict to send the pilot down to check on the destroyed fake Hermes and let the Quntians know that if they don't recieve a message from the pilot every x minutes that they'll destroy the planet.

So in the last twenty pages the pilot finally gets to the planet. And he misses the second call in and the planet is destroyed by the Hermes, THE END.

What?

I just don't by the idea in the book that things would escalate like this. Imagine going to a strangers house in a less developed country, because you want to be friends with them. You knock on their door. They don't answer. So you blow up their garage. They say "Please go away" so you smash in their windows. It doesn't make sense.

And I've come to this after reading portions of [b:Microworlds: Writings on Science Fiction and Fantasy|889430|Microworlds Writings on Science Fiction and Fantasy|Stanisław Lem|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1348193964l/889430._SY75_.jpg|874679] where Lem pulls apart stories about first contact from [b:The War of the Worlds|8909|The War of the Worlds|H.G. Wells|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1320391644l/8909._SY75_.jpg|3194841] to [b:Roadside Picnic|331256|Roadside Picnic|Arkady Strugatsky|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1173812259l/331256._SY75_.jpg|1243896], but I can't see how Fiasco holds with those discussions (apart from the parts where he derides science fantasy for not giving full explanations of the tech).

Now I admit that I am often more to the whimsical stories of Ijon Tichy, but I really do enjoy the more serious tales of Pirx, but this one feels off. It feels hopeless and morose. As if the future is pointless, inevitable and not worth attempting.

Where I really land on this one though is that it could have been three different and good stories. but as is, it drags strangely and doesn't mesh well together at all and I don't like it.

I'm yet to read the last Lem novel which was published after this one [b:Peace on Earth|88313|Peace on Earth|Stanisław Lem|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1328874754l/88313._SY75_.jpg|1271753] and as it's a Tichy novel I was keen to, but now I'm worried that I won't like it as I did this one.


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  urbaer | Mar 5, 2022 |
(...)

Lem simply doesn’t seem to care about any credible scenario to hammer home his thematic points. I’m sorry, but even though humans can indeed by stupid and aggressive by nature, there is no conceivable way in which these things would have happened in the future world that Lem conjured up himself: a peaceful, high-tech 21st century on a ship full of top notch professional scientists. It is ludicrous.

In an attempt to voice a strong opinion on humanity, Lem forgets human reality.

(...)

Full review on Weighing A Pig Doesn't Fatten It ( )
  bormgans | Aug 30, 2021 |
Lem has been one of my favorite science fiction authors for a long time. I almost think of him as anti-science fiction, though, because many of the best of his books are dedicated to undermining the naive dreams of the techno-utopians (i.e. Star Trek writers) and remorselessly showing what happens when humanity's flaws get translated to the stars. As the title shows, this story of first contact doesn't go well, but what makes it so compelling is his trademark way of showing the consequences of our limited rationality and our ultimate smallness in a baffling and possibly unknowable universe. ( )
  aaronarnold | May 11, 2021 |
Makes the previous books by Lem seem childish, reading this was a step from teen fiction to adult fiction. Lem uses a superb mixture of real science, real astronomy, real robotics, real computer technology, to inventive, imaginative, logical progression of the fictional. Overall the plot describes a scenario where humans attempt contact with extra-terrestrial intelligent life. This is Lem's idea of the future of SETI and CETI, via Titan, robotics, astronautics, exploration, cryogenics, embryonics, eschatology, psychology, philosophy, rocket science, and computer technology.

The long descriptions, of course including Lem's own neologisms for places and things, make the book a challenging read, but following it to the end is worthwhile.

Woven into the story are many unanswered questions: what is the identity of Mark Tempe? How much human influence on DEUS, and DEUS' influence on the humans affected the decisions for their mission? The questions of the sanity of the crew cast doubt onto the outcome of the mission. Were the Quintians even there, or were they a projection of the desire in the human mind? "You now have what you wanted." Perhaps the whole story from the resurrected mystery man was simply an experience of his own afterlife?

Along with the Lemisms, I particularly loved the concept of sidereal engineering, like quantum physics it works although we cannot understand how. I wonder why Lem didn't utilise a quantum computer too.

Lem's own background in medical science was employed describing how cryogenics was superseded by embryonics for the suspended animation of astronauts having to wait out years for their scout ship to return. They are revived like foetuses from the womb, in one instance he described "an old-fashioned method" whereby the doctor gently pushes a finger into the jaw of the patient and pushes up on the palate.

There was so much to explore outside reading this book: psychological bicameralism, development of civilizations, diadochokinesia, the Coriolis force, the Schwarzschild radius, to accentuate just a few. I would have liked it if the IAU had utilised Lem's terminology for the place-names and geological features on Titan, (these would have been more appropriate than Middle-earth).

Top notch creative, speculative science fiction. ( )
1 stem AChild | Mar 23, 2021 |
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