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1bobmcconnaughey
nov 17, 2009, 9:51 am

Has anyone else been enjoying the remastering of the Beatles' mono masters? Esp. on the early lps the 3 part harmonies and Ringo's drumming can be heard and appreciated much more distinctly. The Beatles had mastered American girl group harmonies better than the girl groups..eg. Chains. In general the early covers come off far better than ever before. Not the obvious ones (Money, Twist and Shout which always had energy to spare) but the stupid ones. Mr Moonlight...it's still an incredibly stupid song but the harmonies, heard clearly for the first time, are lovely inspite of the song. And i've always been a big Buddy Holly* fan and "Words of Love" benefits from the remastering too.

Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly & Carl Perkins -> rock 'n' roll - elvis was a happenstance.

2geneg
nov 17, 2009, 10:44 am

Well, Lt just ate that. Let me try again.

You can't have rock 'n' roll without Bill Haley and the Comets. they knew the rock a beatin' boogie, too. I don't think the Beatles ever covered them. Too much white boy in their music.

If they were going to remaster something I wish it was "Live at the Star Club". Take out all the extraneous crowd noise, boost the band and let 'er rip. I don't think I've ever heard a record as raw, as pure, as alive, as energized and abandoned as that one. Not any. This was a band with an audience of four, themselves.

This is, of course, an admission that I have not heard the remasters.

3bobmcconnaughey
nov 18, 2009, 9:14 pm

you're right, of course..Mostly i'm "anti-elvis" despite my fondness for Mojo Nixon's classic.."Elvis is everywhere."

But there really is whole lot that the Beatles were doing that neither my wife nor i who've been listening since she was collecting Beatles cards* had ever heard before on the remastered cds.

*I know Patty's forgiven her mom decades ago..but hardly forgotten... her mother's tossing out her collection of Beatles cards when Patty went off to college.

4Randy_Hierodule
Redigeret: nov 19, 2009, 12:19 pm

"elvis was a happenstance." Those Sun singles and some of the early RCA stuff are godlike - and along with Buddy Holly, he had the voice for it. I also think the whole rock star as psycho(sexual)pomp began with Elvis ... Before the marshmallow and ham sandwiches, the ludes and the guns and sequined jumpers and diapered monkies, he had the rhythm of the blues in his blood as no fawning English knock-off band ever had. I'll take Carl Perkins' Blue Suede Shoes over Elvis's any day - Perkins was raw and great, but he didn't have the talent Elvis had. The only one who came close was Jerry Lee Lewis... but he also had, god bless him, a few non radio-friendly issues.

5bobmcconnaughey
Redigeret: nov 20, 2009, 6:37 am

We were more than a mite surprised when we mentioned to our son's piano teacher that Jerry Lee was playing a couple of county seats down ~ 1997 or so and it turned out the Greg had NO idea who Jerry Lee Lewis was. I didn't expect Greg to like Lewis, but though Greg was a good bit younger than my wife and i, i still thought that growing up in small town NC he'd know who the Killer was~!
The Drive By Truckers have the best homage song to Sun/Phillips I know - Carl Perkin's Cadillac
....
Mr. Phillips found old Johnny Cash and he was high
High before he ever took those pills and he's still too proud to die
Mr. Phillips never said anything behind nobody's back
Like "Dammit Elvis, don't he know, he ain't no Johnny Cash"

If Mr. Phillips was the only man that Jerry Lee still would call sir
Then I guess Mr. Phillips did all of Y'all about as good as you deserve
He did just what he said he was gonna do and the money came in sacks
New contracts and Carl Perkins' Cadillac

6Randy_Hierodule
nov 20, 2009, 8:53 am

JLL's story is more entertaining than most novels. I read somewhere of him pulling up to Graceland in the middle of the night, drunk, bottle in hand and pistol in his waistband demanding to see Elvis. 'Who the f--- does he think he is", was his reply to the refusal of an audience, while the guard dialed up the po-lice.

7geneg
nov 20, 2009, 10:51 am

Of all those mentioned above, Jerry Lee is the only one still kickin'.

8krolik
nov 21, 2009, 10:21 am

>7 geneg: Must be his healthy lifestyle.

I'm looking forward to the Jerry Lee & Keith Richards workout video.

9bobmcconnaughey
nov 23, 2009, 5:39 pm

My wife is working on the Keith Richards' genome project - selecting as subjects those rock and rollers who've survived (and prospered) despite or because of a life time of serious substance use. I don't know, for sure, but i suspect there are the serious survivors and then ones i think are probably abuse dilettantes (Lou Reed(?)). Trying heroin a few times does NOT count...We want only the true survivors for this cohort study.~! Of course need to separate poly-substance users as opposed to the straight forward alcoholic, or junkie, or cokehead.

I guess as controls we need some pure of heart/soul band members, regardless of musical quality.
(we both do epidemiology junk for the NIEHS)

10geneg
Redigeret: nov 23, 2009, 6:03 pm

Don't forget David Crosby. Elvis Presley, or don't prescription drugs count. I don't know if ChuBerry has a history of drugs, I seem to think heroin was in there, at least early on.

I saw Bob Dylan so stoned one night he could hardly stand up.

Keith's bud, whatshisname, the skinny drink of water front man for the group. Didn't he have a serious drug habit through most of the last thirty years?

11bobmcconnaughey
nov 24, 2009, 4:14 pm

SURVIVING is the key criterion. ;-)
but elvis didn't survive...off the list. Cosby, iirc, had a liver transplant? off the list.
I think Mick was much more of a poseur(in re lifestyle affectation - i think he's kindof an underrated songwriter) than Keith - i think Ron Wood could be fit into the project tho. Actually most of the small faces/faces could probably hang in the project.

Marianne Faithful, maybe?

If you're gonna be a lifetime addict, and can find a fix readily, and take good care of your works, etc. your probably better off being a junkie than addicted to just about any other genre of poison.

You gotta survive to qualify. And sans transplants. Just being a Rush Limbaugh type RX abuser doesn't fly.

12Randy_Hierodule
nov 24, 2009, 4:27 pm

I understand Iggy Pop is an affable host to scholars who come knocking at his door.

13cappybear
Redigeret: jan 26, 2010, 8:09 pm

I've never heard Revolver in stereo. I bought an old mono LP from Riverside Records in York back in 1979 and just got used to it.

14cappybear
okt 30, 2010, 3:41 am

I bought Beatles For Sale via Amazon this week and played it for the first time last night. it was only when I glanced at the CD sleeve that I noticed that the recording was mono. But the sound quality is remarkably crisp and full-bodied, and infinitely better than the chromium dioxide cassette of the album that I've listened to for the past thirty years.

Critics of Beatles For Sale have remarked that there are several cover versions on the album; a backward step after the entirely self-penned A Hard Day's Night and I suspect that EMI wanted to get another album out for Christmas 1964, in spite of what the sleeve-notes may say. Even so, there are still a handful of Lennon-McCartney classics on the album (Eight Days a Week, No Reply, etc). No mean feat, considering the pressure that the Fabs must have been under at the time.

15geneg
okt 30, 2010, 11:13 am

I say this every time I see a comment about the Beatles and cover tunes. For all the other things the Beatles were, or are, they were one helluva cover band. Would you rather hear John Lennon shout "Money" or Barrett Strong? Or how about "Please Mr. Postman", the Beatles or the Marvalettes? Or "Twist and Shout", the Beatles or the Isley Brothers? They were one of the very few bands that actually improved the songs they covered while playing it straight, not adding their twist to it. The Beatles covers are every bit as interesting and excellent as the tunes they penned themselves. Remember, for all the "Octopi Gardens", "Yellow Submarines", and "Judes" they were first and foremost the best pure Rock 'n Roll band evah.

16krolik
okt 30, 2010, 12:35 pm

>15 geneg:

Now there's a subject: what was the best Beatles' cover? I nominate "You Really Got a Hold On Me."

17Randy_Hierodule
okt 30, 2010, 12:52 pm

I'm not a big fan, but I think they did a great cover of Larry Williams's Bad Boy.

18cappybear
okt 31, 2010, 3:25 pm

Quite agree, geneg. No-one can belt out "Money" like Lennon.

19geneg
nov 3, 2010, 9:27 pm

This thread inspired me tp buy the two remastered Beatles Anthologies (my wife still holds out hope for Paul) and I'm listening to them now for the first time. They really do raise the listening experience. Many of these songs I haven't heard in years. Some of them the last time I listened to them was on an old Delco radio in my Dad's '53 Chevy. As someone said above, Bob, I think, there's a lot more going on in these recordings than ever came through the radio.

I wonder if Dylan, say from Bob Dylan through John Wesley Harding has been given this treatment, or Jefferson Airplane from Takes Off through Crown of Creation? Does anyone out there know?