A challenge to authors!
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On another tack, in this LT group, I've been campaigning to explain that linguistics is all about the love of language, not complaining and judging. However, if you insist on starting yet another "judging" thread, my prescriptive school teachers would have shuddered at your usage of "try and" as opposed to "try to."
*loans grammargoddess a ruler*
But then, does your complaint extend to phrasal verbs? But it must. Why else do people use "gotten" in the first place?
Sometimes mistakenly identified as an Americanism, loan1 as a verb meaning “to lend” has been used in English for nearly 800 years: Nearby villages loaned clothing and other supplies to the flood-ravaged town. The occasional objections to loan as a verb referring to things other than money, are comparatively recent. Loan is standard in all contexts but is perhaps most common in financial ones: The government has loaned money to farmers to purchase seed.
But wait, there's more!
Usage Note: The verb loan is well established in American usage and cannot be considered incorrect. The frequent objections to the form by American grammarians may have originated from a provincial deference to British critics, who long ago labeled the usage a typical Americanism. Loan is, however, used to describe only physical transactions, as of money or goods; for figurative transactions, lend is correct: Distance lends enchantment. The allusions lend the work a classical tone.
*takes back the ruler and raps rdurick*
What a good group this is.
A group, indeed, in which the medium is definitely the massage!
He arose, dressed himself and ate his breakfast. He mounted his horse. When he arrived at his destination...
I'm paraphrasing something that someone else wrote many years ago. My objection is that in many instances where "got" and "gotten" are employed there are other more appropriate verbs that should be used. Of course, both are perfectly good words but only in the correct context.
So yeah, it's a problem if the author uses "got" or "gotten" when something more demure is called for, but it's also a problem if he fails to use them where laxity is called for. Of course, if you're just advocating that authors should try to use the right word at the right time, I doubt you'll get many disagreements.
(Okay, I guess you didn't specifically dictate dialogue had to be free of the offending word... :) )
Finally, I stand by my own word choice: I think "demure" does accurately capture the connotative difference between, "He arose and dressed himself," and, "He got up and got dressed."
"Please tell me the title of that thing in the corner."
"I don't understand the thing you said."
"Please say that again?"
I don't know where he picked up that doozy but I have heard it before. Hopefully it is exclusively Australian. :)
As they say, "different strokes for different folks" I guess.
EDIT: My Goodness! I just noticed that the original message was posted months and months ago!