"As" vs "Like"
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Is "like" or "as" the "provincialism" in "It's just ___ I said before"? Because I have a fairly strong suspicion which is the dominant usage in American Standard English. I don't know if I'd go so far as to be "alienated" by someone who used "as," though.
As an aside I'm just reading a book by a man called Eisenmann and came across the word "precisified". Ugh!
Even that misusage pales in comparison with "newcuelar", however, because it totally ignores the spelling: nuclear.
The fact that our former(praise be!) president mispronounced it tells us something about his usage in general--as if he had not made it obvious from the beginning.
As for the history and effectiveness of this rule, the OED says, “Now generally condemned as vulgar or slovenly, though examples may be found in many recent writers of standing.” Quotations include the c1530 “Ye have said lyke a noble lady ought to say.” and Shakespeare's “Like an arrow shot from a well experienst Archer hits the marke his eye doth leuell at.”
Is there any evidence that this usage used to be uncommon? There may be, but for some reason my first intuition is to be skeptical.
Is it that when Jane Austen writes in P&P,
"They have none of them much to recommend them," replied he; "they are all silly and ignorant like other girls; but Lizzy has something more of quickness than her sisters."
she is being grammatically correct (for #1's value of "correct"), but
"They have none of them much to recommend them," replied he; "they are all silly and ignorant like other girls are; but Lizzy has something more of quickness than her sisters."
would be incorrect, and should be
"They have none of them much to recommend them," replied he; "they are all silly and ignorant as other girls are; but Lizzy has something more of quickness than her sisters."
Precisifying everything at once makes it always false to say of a vague term that it is definitely vague. (No term is vague on every complete precisification, because no term is vague on *any* complete precisification.) But we can truly assert that a term is definitely vague if what it means is that *on all precifications of 'vague'* the term in question counts as vague.
If precisification worked this way, 'Definitely ...' would function differently on different occasions of use. It would always have the same truth-conditions as 'On all precisifications of the salient term(s) ...', but which term(s) are salient will change. Presumably context would help us determine which term(s) are salient on any particular occasion.
>24 disquod:, yeah! So much for her! :p
Texas, on the other hand, existed as a nation-state from 1836-1935, enough for four (or three, depending on how you count Sam Houston) presidents to hold office, and for longer than some other nation-states in this world, for example, the Republic of Upper Volta. There are probably other examples on the African continent, too.
"Winston tastes good/
Like a cigarette should."
There you have it in all its pristine hideousness. It is a usage propagated not for clarity but rather for gain. That it involved lies and promoted lung disease and death are merely coincidental, although they have a metaphorical resonance.
Until that ad got the upper hand, the distinction between "like" (used as a preposition) and "as" (used as a conjunction) was clear.
It's rather worse than having it grate as a pebble, Naren559, if it is heard as "ossum". Perhaps Americanophones find this laziness more acceptable than we Brits do?
It actually surprises me to hear anyone complain about it because, like I said, where I'm from it's ancient enough to be brought back.
...maybe I'll try to bring back "swell." My grandfather's high school yearbook is full of "Good luck to one swell fella." "To one swell football player." "To a swell guy." It'll be harder to bring back, though. Being hip and sarcastic by being SO 90's is easier than doing so by being SO 40's, you know?
> I noted Collectorator's rather snippy response ("not taken") to your "my sympathies" when collectorator had proudly announced to being a "Texan". As Collectorator is presently in Fort Worth (right next door to Arlington), I felt that this so-called pride in "being Texan" was just too much GWB (who is definitely not a Texan, and got his political boost by the city of Arlington)crap.
posted by erilarlo at 10:32 pm (EST) on Feb 23, 2009
That's an unusual usage of the word "snippy." Didn't you mean "snappy?" Or "wonderfully wrought?" :D
We've decided you must be referring to us, the Royal We. :) (: