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Obama 30 minute commercial

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1mckait
okt 29, 2008, 8:32 pm

Loved it!!

On to see what MSNBC has to say~

2clamairy
okt 29, 2008, 8:35 pm

Me too!!! I got a emotional more than once. *sniff*
:o)

3maggie1944
okt 29, 2008, 9:43 pm

It is only 6:45 pm here and so I have to wait until 8 pm to see it. Oh, it is so fun to be on the left coast. hehehehehehe

4geneg
okt 29, 2008, 9:50 pm

John McCain is going to have a field day with this: Obama has been saying on the stump that his tax plan does not raise taxes on people making less than $250,000. Tonight he said his tax plan would cut taxes for people making less than $200,000. Joe Biden is on record saying it won't increase taxes for people making under $150,000. McCain has already been on the $250,000/$150,000 difference, his "Obama keeps defining wealthy downward" commercial, now he can insert the $200,000 spot from tonight's presentation in between these in a commercial that asks Obama to pick an amount and stick to it.

McCain won't pass this up. I hope Obama has a bumper sticker explanation for this.

5maggie1944
okt 29, 2008, 11:39 pm

OK, now I've seen the infomercial or polimercial or whatever that was. I liked it OK. I think the $250,000 and the $200,000 were on two different topics. Not sure tho, I am not an expert. I liked his specifics. And I too was touched a time or two.

Oh, God, I so hope he wins and I so hope, pray, and whatever I an do - that no one gets hurt. The "skin head" stories are a bit scary.

OK. It will be good.

6mcelhra
okt 29, 2008, 11:50 pm

Couldn't his tax plan cut taxes on those who make less than $200,000 and keep them the same for those who make $200,000-250,000 and not be inconsistent with saying that he won't raise taxes on those making less than $250,000?

7clamairy
okt 30, 2008, 7:35 am

#6 - Absolutely. None of those statements are exclusive of the others.

8reading_fox
okt 30, 2008, 7:43 am

is 150, 200 or 250k Really of interest to the average american?

In the UK average salery is less than £25k approx $50k, and £30-50k ($100k) is already very comfortably well off, and would be seen as rich copmared to most people's lives.

9mollishka
okt 30, 2008, 10:03 am

I think the numbers have been changing on where the tax cut/tax increase boundary is, but the wording is also important: "tax cut" v. "taxes will not increase" because in the Obama plan there is also an income range for which the level of taxation will not change.

10geneg
okt 30, 2008, 12:08 pm

McCain is already using the Biden $150,000 gaffe and will show no compunction about using the $200,000. He has no obligation to explain how one figure goes with one way of accounting while the other goes with a different method. Many undecideds who are leaning to McCain won't think about, or care about, the fact that there are two ways of looking at it, they'll just see an inconsistency and pounce on that.

Can any of you say with certainty that $250,000 and $200,000 are not materially different?

I could be overreacting here, and I hope so, but it's something to keep an eye on.

11BGP
okt 30, 2008, 12:39 pm

>10 geneg: "I could be overreacting here" -g

You are. Biden's gaffe is irrelevant. One slip on a statistic is no "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." And, as for Obama's proposed tax reform, he has been over this before. Tax cuts for those below 200,000, and no new taxes for those in the 200,000 to 250,000 bracket.

This is not news.

And McCain's already been reduced to attacking Obama as a Marxist.

A decisive majority of Americans simply aren't willing to buy his economic proposals.

As long as we focus on turning out the vote, this election is ours.

12maggie1944
okt 30, 2008, 12:57 pm

reading fox, I am pretty average and will never see any thing like an income of $100,000 a year. However, it is not uncommon for a married couple to have an income of over $100,000 if they both work, and it is not uncommon for a small business to have incomes in the ranges being discussed: $100,000 - $250,000+

Often the examples used by politicians are small, family owned businesses, which are not sufficiently successful to be supporting the entire family's adult membership; or, which when the original owner dies the business can not afford the estate taxes and still stay in business. These small businesses are fewer and fewer as the large corporations pretty much present impossible competition, for example, Wal-Mart forcing small grocery stores out of business.

So, the political discussion is not very realistic but it does reveal some basic philosophical differences.

13NeverStopTrying
okt 30, 2008, 1:41 pm

For a moderately small estate, the estate taxes are a short term, cash flow bite, I agree. They do, however, become a future tax deduction for the beneficiaries, so it really isn't quite as dire as people make out. I don't know how big the estate has to be before you won't break even, not being a tax expert. But it is another slightly false issue for middle class folks.

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