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1quartzite
nov 10, 2006, 9:46 am

While bad genre fiction of any sort can be pretty dreadful, somehow bad horror seems especially putrid.

My first nomination for really bad horror is John Saul. Though I have not read him since practically forever, I still recall that I had to stop reading Suffer the Children from sheer disgust.

Any other thoughts on books that give a whole new meaning to grim?

2Bookmarque
nov 10, 2006, 10:13 am

OMG yes - John Saul is unbelievably bad. Posessed children and haunted grounds - vile stuff, but as a teenager I loved it.

I can't recall any others that I read back then, but recently I read a Bentley Little (The Resort) and found it to be along the same lines. Hokey prose featuring stupid characters that do dumb things that result in saving the day and vanquishing the evil. Gah!

3Tashaelizabeth
Redigeret: nov 10, 2006, 5:56 pm

I know I've read alot of bad horror, but the one that stands out in my mind was called The Traveling Vampire Show. Yikes was I pissed about that book. I can't even remember why anymore.

*I clicked on the link and the page said it won a Bram Stoker award. What?!

4starfishpaws
nov 10, 2006, 6:24 pm

Tashaelizabeth - I agree! I don't think I even finished it because I thought it was so bad. And I have no idea why it won an award....

5thatbooksmell
nov 10, 2006, 6:48 pm

There's bad horror as in TOO horrible and then there's just bad horror writing.

I don't like Nora Roberts at ALL and so I assume that I will passionately hate her vampire books (Circle Trilogy or something...they don't even sound like true horror to me, but that's where they are found on Amazon. LOL).

I'm guessing that Queer Fear: Gay Horror Fiction isn't so great, either. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

6SimonW11
nov 11, 2006, 2:34 am

No one has mentioned Guy N Smith's NIGHT OF THE CRABS

“He wasn’t going to leave her alone that night, crabs or no crabs”.

Hmm Didn't Shaun Hutson claim he started to write because he thought he could do knew he could do better than Guy N Smith and has I suspect come to similarily inspire a whole new generation of writers.

7quartzite
nov 11, 2006, 11:15 am

A more recent book in the had-to-stop-reading category was Tom Holland's Deliver Us From Evil--interesting idea, badly executed.

8SimonW11
Redigeret: nov 12, 2006, 12:03 pm

Hmm I have two of Holland's books one is on my TBR pile the other is reviewed here. I think I tagged it gothic, It is well written, but there is no tension.

9quartzite
nov 12, 2006, 7:14 am

I saw a couple of other Holland books that looked potentially interesting, but in view of my first experience, wasn't sure whether or not to bother trying another one.

10SidWainwright
nov 12, 2006, 11:42 am

I have to agree about Guy N.Smith - I actually have a large number of his books(bought when I was very young!) and most of them are execrable. Clearly an inspiration for Garth Marenghi!

11john_sunseri
nov 12, 2006, 8:02 pm

I don't like to denigrate living authors of horror - I might meet one of these folks someday and have to explain myself - but I've got no problem raking V.C. Andrews over the coals a little bit...

When I was in sixth, seventh grade, it seemed like every girl in my class was reading Flowers in the Attic, and they later moved on to My Sweet Audrina and god knows what else by the woman - and they're horrible, awful books. Badly written, badly plotted, appealing to the basest urges of her readership (sex! incest! torture!) and all-around lousy reads.

Don't misunderstand me, please - sex, incest and torture can be great topics for drama (think Oedipus Rex, Marathon Man, half of Shakespeare's plays - but Andrews was a terrible writer. A terrible storyteller. And a millionaire, of course...

12semdetenebre
dec 5, 2006, 3:05 pm

I wrote a review on Amazon about how bad THE TRAVELLING VAMPIRE SHOW is. I like many short stories that Richard Laymon has written, but his novels are just... not good. He tried to write a coming-of-age horror story set in the 60's and it's just flavorless. It might as well be the 70's, 80's, 90's... doesn't even matter. The funniest thing is the author's ever-present breast fixation, for which I've often referred to him as the Russ Meyer of horror lit.

13bretjordan
dec 5, 2006, 11:57 pm

I just finished reading One Rainy Night by Richard Laymon, and I know what you mean about his breast fixation. There weren't too many chapters that didn't contain at least a little gratuitous nudity - though most of it didn't really belong. A little sex is okay, but I almost felt like I was reading a soft-core porn novel. The book would have been much better if he would have toned some of that down a bit.

14localpeanut
Redigeret: dec 6, 2006, 10:26 pm

I totally get you (Bret & Ken10) about his little breast compulsion! Jeez, how many ways can a writer describe a mammary (or 2)? Even one as inventive as Laymon!

Get over it, dude! Move on to some other organ! What about moles and pimples??

15Scaryguy
dec 18, 2006, 6:31 pm

Ironically, a staple of horror did it to me. I couldn't finish The Shining - not that the writing was bad, but the tortuous fixation on hurting the boy and his mother at the hotel was just too much. I didn't find it scary - just creepy, which is okay - until it went schitzo. I think I quit after 200 something pages.

Usually, if I give up on a book it's in the first 25 pages. I'll slug it through to the end otherwise. It's the only one of ten or more Stephen King books I read that didn't interest me in any way. Haven't read Carrie or Delores Claiborne either, though.

BTW: Laymon's dead, so we'll have to keep his breast fixation forever.

16bretjordan
dec 19, 2006, 6:01 pm

BlueHairedOgre, Thanks for letting me know about Laymon. Man, I didn't know he died!

born in Chicago in 1947 and died on Valentine's Day 2001

I have only read 1 of his books, One Rainy Night. It was pretty good, just a little too much focus on specific body parts.

17Scaryguy
dec 20, 2006, 7:30 am

Ironically, I haven't read Laymon yet. I just finished a Giron book and started on Breed by Owl Goingback. I read about 70 or so novel a year - I'll fit in Laymon in the New Year.

Cheers,

Michael

18localpeanut
dec 20, 2006, 8:32 pm

Hey, a fellow James Herbert fan. Have you read The Ghosts of Sleath.

And this is the second year, I've counted the books I'm reading. I might hit 60 this year. I'm reading 3 simultaneously but will probably only finish one before the New Year. I've only read 8 horror books this year . . . but the good news is there's about 20 on my TBR side table. And more are on my Amazon shopping cart since I joined Library Thing.

Its rare that I come across bad horror. Because I spend a lot of time . . . probably too much time . . . scanning a book . . . before I fork over the dough.

I will say Pharos was bad because it was so uneven. The characters were undeveloped and I couldn't even tell which one was the ghost!

19Scaryguy
dec 21, 2006, 7:32 am

Yeah, Ghosts of Sleath is a good one. I haven't read a bad James Herbert yet. One about the deformed kids lab was almost too much for me though.

Cheers,

Michael

p.s. I lived in Pasadena once upon a century. I didn't know I was living right beside the mountains for three months! Thank you smog monster!

20Scaryguy
jan 15, 2007, 7:35 am

Well, I just read my first by him (albeit posthumous) - The Lake by Richard Laymon.

My god! Really disappointing. Read my review and it will tell all. Breast, nipple, cleavage . . . not to mention a very adept description of the late 1960's hippie era that takes place in 1981!!!

Cheers

21TheBentley
Redigeret: feb 3, 2007, 8:07 pm

I've read so much H.P. Lovecraft hoping to get into it the way most horror fans do, and I just can't. Rats in the Walls was pretty good, and I liked The Dunwich Horror but all the rest of it I just couldn't get into.

And I swear to God, Dean Koontz builds his characters out of a file box of random characteristics. I know lots of people really like him (and he's so prolific that some of his books may actually be really good--maybe you just have to find those books). But every time I try him, he just pisses me off.

22Sykil
Redigeret: feb 4, 2007, 1:09 am

Would I be beheaded for saying Bram Stoker for Dracula?

The story is okay; the writing/pace makes me want to stick my face in a waffle iron.

23TheBentley
feb 4, 2007, 12:20 pm

Dracula is really hard to read. The epistolary style slows down the momentum and you almost have to read Van Helsing's dialogue out loud to understand what's being said because the dialect is so thick. I can understand why people would hate it.

24CarlosMcRey
Redigeret: feb 28, 2007, 8:11 pm

Well, I read Chuck Palahniuk's Haunted: A Novel of Stories twice, hoping that I had just been too turned off by the idiotic refrains and pointless shock to detect the genius underneath; I was wrong. I have to admit one of the things that annoyed me most about it was that it was presented as "horror," which seems rather misleading. (Though that could be a whole different conversation itself.) I hated this book so much that it has come to serve as a sort of anti-touchstone, a work of art that by its awfulness better puts into perspective what I like about other writers/stories. (I do give Chuck points for ambition on this.)

And I'd have to add Brian Lumley's The Transition of Titus Crow to the list. As far as Cthulhu mythos writers go, Lumley is pretty good, if inconsistent. And the book gets off to a decent start, but shortly after Titus shows up, any atmosphere or tension drains out of the narrative. When the Capt. Kirk moment arrived, I could not read any longer and just skimmed the last few chapters for basic plot points.

25Scaryguy
mar 3, 2007, 5:15 pm

I just read Peter Straub's Bram Stoker winner Lost Boy Lost Girl and felt let down.

Besides the jumping around in time without warning - woman's dead . . . No! she alive . . . oh, no, she's dead again . . . Oh, wait! She's alive again! PLUS a lackluster ending!

Then you have a fifteen year old kid in 2003 - only child - whose parents were married in 1972. They waited 16 years to have a kid? Possible, but weird - completely out of the ordinary - esp. since no problems were mentioned. Five years before having a kid? Even ten, but after that some mention has to be made of conception problems. Who waits sixteen years to have a kid? Most people divorce well before that.

The uncle is a Vietnam veteran and is portrayed as a youngish guy. My math may be a bit off, but it seems that the very youngest Vietnam vet would be about 46. That depends on if the draft was still going during the withdrawal and this guy did combat! 46 ain't old, but ain't young either.

I don't know. Maybe I was asleep. I put down the book several times and discipline, not pleasure, made me pick it back up.

26TheBentley
mar 4, 2007, 10:50 am

Lost Boy Lost Girl is really one of the Blue Rose books. In theory they all stand alone and you can read just one and start the series at any point, but in practice Straub knows all the other books and writes as if you know the backstory. By Lost Boy Lost Girl, Straub writes as if you already know Underhill (who isn't so much "youngish" as he is a "long-haired-post-sixties-bachelor-writerish."

Besides that, Lost Boy Lost Girl simply isn't his best book. I think it suffers a little from "Talismania," a condition unique to Peter Straub in which his writing suffers a bit after a collaboration with Stephen King (in this particular case, after Black House). As for the mathematical conundrum, I'd say that's just a pretty good sign that the book didn't work for you. If the reader is really taking notice of something like that in a horror novel, the author has much bigger problems. :-)

27Scaryguy
mar 5, 2007, 7:31 am

Thanks, Bentley.

I noticed, at the end of the book, a reference to another Underhill book. I thought detectives were in a series, not writers!

Come to think of it though, Odd Thomas et al worked for me. Oh, well.

Cheers!

28devenish
mar 5, 2007, 11:24 am

I'd like to nominate The Folly by David Anne A book that tells of giant killer rabbits,and is so bad ,it really is one of the worst of any type that it has ever been my misfortune to read.
Also what about Squelch by John Halkin Green and hairy caterpillars who prey upon flesh !
Halkin has also written other classics including Slime

29john_sunseri
mar 5, 2007, 12:41 pm

You know what's really sad? Those books you mention, devenish, sound like the kind of thing I'd pick up on impulse at a used bookstore and sort of enjoy...

But I'll humbly accept your warnings.

30Cathytg66
mar 13, 2007, 7:08 pm

I simply hated The House that Jack Built by Graham Masterton. The writing was clumsy and droning, and then every 20 pages he'd stick in an incredibly detailed and disgusting gore scene -- rats worming down people's throats, that kind of thing. Then blah ... blah .... blah for another 20 pages until it was time to revolt the readers again. I couldn't believe it had gotten published.

The Haunting was the first Ruby Jean Jensen I ever picked up, and I was gobsmacked by how bad it was. It's not a bad premise, but SHE SIMPLY CAN'T WRITE. Also, it abuses the Idiot Plot beyond the point where you can overlook it.

I'm tempted to pick up the killer bunny rabbit and caterpillar books, though -- those sound like a riot.

31mysticskeptic
jun 10, 2007, 11:29 am

Hello everyone!

Just joined the group, and I feel right at home already.

The one thing worse than an obviously bad novel - at least the kind of novels that 'devenish' (message 28) describes can be hilarious entertainment (when described casually as he did) AFTER the read - is a novel that has passages of real genius, but is mostly awful in terms of construction.

My submission for worst example is Jago by Kim Newman. A novel totally - and I do mean TOTALLY - over the top in its descriptions of apocalyptic horror, and a sex orgy near the end that has to be read to be believed.

Don't misunderstand me, please. I absolutely LOVED these aspects of the book. Utterly surreal, perfectly wonderful! If the plotting and the characters had been up to the same level I should describe the novel as a masterpiece. As it stands, it is so poorly put together I wanted to scream with frustration and disappointment.

The Quorum, a later book by Newman, is a slightly better novel, but lacks Jago's mad, gleeful, straight for the pit horror.

That's my first post!





32tiddleyboom
jul 18, 2007, 7:30 pm

#11 - Have to ditto the V.C. Andrews nomination.

I was once a sixth grade girl devouring that crap. Don't ask me why cuz I just don't know.

Although, I believe she was part of my 'inspiration' to become a writer. I figured I couldn't do much worse - really.

33rufustfirefly66
jul 19, 2007, 1:08 am

Saul and Koontz. I bet Hell's library is nothing but John Saul and Dean Koontz.

34CarlosMcRey
jul 24, 2007, 9:14 am

TheBentley, my observation upon completing a Dean Koontz novel was that his characters are so bad, they cannot be regarded as more than vehicles for plot. In a way, there is a sort of elegant minimalism to it; Koontz never gives his characters two dimensions when only one will suffice...

35BookBindingBobby
jan 8, 2008, 2:54 pm

I picked up Chain Letter by Ruby Jean Jenson a while back at a used bookstore...it was just plain AWFUL. She is an embarassing writer, and the characters are so transparent. I am not exaggerating when I say it seemed like it was written by a Sophomore in high school. I still can't get over just how bad it was.

36jseger9000
mar 9, 2008, 11:33 pm

I was so intrigued reading about Guy N. Smith's Night of the Crabs (tell me that doesn't sound like some kind of educational film about social diseases) that I went to look up used copies on Amazon. That thing is expensive! And forget looking for a copy on half.com. He has several other books going for twenty dollars or more. Who knew there was a Guy N. Smith underground?

(BTW: Doesn't that name sound like a pseudonym?)

37RabidPete
mar 10, 2008, 9:24 am

Wow, Now that's shocking Guy N Smith is appalling. I bought four of his books cos they were going cheap and who can resist giant crabs right? But man they stink. If you lived in the UK I'de mail you my copy so you could have a chuckle.

38jseger9000
mar 10, 2008, 11:35 am

I'd never heard of Guy N. Smith before the posts on here. I think he's more of a UK thing. Amazon UK has his books pretty cheap, but for some reason Amazon US values his crappy books.

I did check out the Guy N. Smith wikipedia entry. They had some selected quotes of his. They sound so funny. Like he's the Ed Wood of horror writers or something.

39cal8769
mar 25, 2008, 4:57 pm

I didn't care for The Entity by Frank De Felitta

40jseger9000
mar 25, 2008, 6:21 pm

I didn't care for The Entity by Frank De Felitta

The movie wasn't too bad though. Maybe one of those cases where the movie outdoes the book?

41cal8769
mar 25, 2008, 10:10 pm

I never saw the movie. I tend to hate movies after I read the books.

42beeg
mar 25, 2008, 10:43 pm

I have that book, but I don't remember it being very good either, also saw the movie. LOL don't remember if it was good or not.

43jseger9000
mar 25, 2008, 11:06 pm

Please remember I said the movie wasn't too bad, not the movie was good. Still, if you have Netflix, you may wanna add it to your list some time.

44satanism
mar 27, 2008, 10:26 am

One that really disappointed me recently was THE OVERNIGHT by Ramsey Campbell; I've never read such stilted, unrealistic dialog. People simply do not talk the way they did in this book, and every time somebody opened their mouth it took me right out of the story, which frankly wasn't all that engaging to begin with. And it didn't help that their wasn't a single likable character.

45SJaneDoe
mar 27, 2008, 11:32 am

Oh, don't even get me STARTED on The Overnight! Argh! I agree with you about the dialogue--it was almost infuriating. The pacing was terrible, too. Those awful, vague and totally un-suspenseful descriptions of the fog in the parking lot just went on and on and on and on.... Plus, who eats sushi--even supermarket sushi--with a fork?! That whole scene was like an alien describing human eating behaviour!
I don't really care for Ramsey Campbell at the best of times, but The Overnight is definitely the worst I've read.

46RickDeckard
Redigeret: mar 31, 2008, 8:30 pm

Ok... for my first post I just wanted to chime in here and agree with mysticskeptic (message 32... I know that was 9 months ago!) about Jago. I have passed this novel up on two occasions at library book sales (it seems the publishing company was very efficient at marketing this book to libraries as it can be found in almost every one on the planet in spite of the fact it is out of print). So... since I didn't buy it, I haven't read the entire thing, however I did read nearly an entire chapter which contained a sex/orgy scene that literally gave me nightmares. It was hard to stop reading (theater of the abomination anyone?), but afterwards I sort of wished I had. There were scenes from Bret Easton Ellis' American Psycho that were ALMOST as disturbing... to give you an idea. (I liked American Psycho BTW).

I could go on for hours about how weak Koontz is... but he seems well covered. Instead I will throw another one under the bus.... Peter Benchley. I thought Jaws was OK... one of the rare occasions where the movie greatly exceeded the book... however, White Shark and Beast were terrible. Awful. They were really, really bad. Oh... and the movies stank too.

47jseger9000
apr 1, 2008, 11:35 am

Beast is the ONE Peter Benchley novel I have. I've heard bad, bad things about him but someone gave me the book for free. I'll still attempt it... some day.

48satanism
Redigeret: apr 2, 2008, 8:59 pm

I read BEAST and found it to be pretty mediocre. Amazingly, the throwaway novelizations of "Jaws 2" and "Jaws the Revenge" (both by Hank Searls, with REVENGE being a direct sequel to JAWS 2 and both straying considerably from the original scripts) are weirder and more fun than anything Benchley wrote.

49jseger9000
apr 2, 2008, 9:46 pm

How sad that the hack hired to do movie novelizations did a better job than the best selling author of the original. I guess I'll be more optimistic and say it's nice to see originality was rewarded.

Speaking of Jaws, anybody here ever read MEG? That one was so poorly written I gave up about three chapters in. Thing is, they keep threatening to turn it into a movie. Even though the book made me cry with its bad writing, I could see it being a fun popcorn movie.

50saraslibrary
apr 4, 2008, 4:54 pm

#49: I have read Meg (the Steve Alten one, right?), though it's been awhile. I think I'm probably one of the few who enjoyed it. Shocking, I know. ;) One shark book I didn't like was Extinct by Charles Wilson. Has anyone read that one? Bleh.

And as for Guy N. Smith, who would pay $20 for one of his books?? As RabidPete put it, I bought my copies because they were cheap (around 50 cents each, I think), and I needed a good laugh in the scare department.

51jseger9000
apr 4, 2008, 5:49 pm

My guess is NOBODY will pay $20.00 for a Guy N. Smith novel. One bad thing about Amazon or Half.com is that sometimes a seller will list an out of print book (that nobody wants) for a high dollar amount. Lord knows why. But then any future seller sees that price and raises theirs accordingly. I'm guessing none of those books will ever sell.

52SuLa
mar 23, 2009, 11:17 am

Horror or wannabe-Horror novels I absolutely hated:

- The Unloved, by John Saul. Tedious story, annoying characters, lots of slashing, blood and gore - there are movies for that kind of stuff!

- The Vampire Armand, by Anne Rice. Don't get me wrong, I love The Vampire Chronicles but this book stinks. The first 200 pages were all about Marius getting Armand into his bed - and whenever Anne Rice tries to describe erotic situations, she fails pathetically. Also, what's the story behind this? Two gay vampires not able to get out of bed and not able to keep their hands to themselves? Granted, the second half was much better but still this is one of the worst books I've ever read.

- Any book by Wolfgang Hohlbein. Don't know if you guys know him, he's a very popular German writer but he's awfully bad. It's really painful to read his books; flat characters, bad style - a little like John Saul, really, only slightly better. I'll never understand why so many people are into that guy and his works.

53jseger9000
mar 23, 2009, 8:43 pm

Two gay vampires not able to get out of bed and not able to keep their hands to themselves?

That's become a whole cottage industry though, hasn't it? Seems some folks out there can't get enough.

54SuLa
mar 23, 2009, 10:11 pm

"That's become a whole cottage industry though, hasn't it? Seems some folks out there can't get enough."

No problem if it's well written but in this case it wasn't because Anne Rice simply can't do it. She's a good writer but as I said before, whenever she tries to describe erotic situations, she fails. I've read one of her "erotic" books written as "Anne Rampling". That was a piece of junk as well; uninspired, boring, flat characters, boring story.

55Moomin_Mama
apr 10, 2009, 8:50 am

>22 Sykil::
Nope, I love Dracula but can see your point. It needs a good edit, there is just too much discussion in the middle. Why do we need to know, in depth, how all of their various notes and letters were collated and prepared and handed out, etc? Slows down the pace no end. Plus the ending, seems like they are running all over the place with not much happening. But the sections that aren't bogged down with too much explanation are superb. I still get shivers down my spine thinking about Jonathan Harker looking out of his window in the castle and seeing the Count climbing down the walls....

Flowers in the Attic - I can't stick up for it at all. Yes, I read it as a teenager when it was being passed around the class. Yes, it was a bit of guilty pleasure. But then I read the next one and found it full of incest too, and it dawned on me that that was the point, they were aimed right at our teenage love of the taboo. THAT made me feel dirty and turned me right off the books. Horrible, grubby and cynical. I don't care if she's a millionaire, I wouldn't want to get rich making 13-year-olds get off on the idea of nobbing their brothers. YUK.

The Sucking Pit by Guy N. Smith (Night of the Crabs author) - read it when I was in my early teens and couldn't believe how bad it was. Followed it up with something from Graham Masterton and was so bored that I could sort of appreciate the campy quality of Guy N. Smith. I will, one day, read Night of the Crabs, but I will never read another Masterton. I can't even remember what the book was about, it was that lousy.

Guy N. Smith used to invite fans round to his house once a year. There was an open invite on his website, he asked you to let him know in advance if you were turning up so his wife would know how many to cook for. Don't know if he's stopped doing that as I couldn't find any mention of it on the site recently.

56TheBentley
apr 10, 2009, 10:10 am

I've never read any Guy N. Smith, but the folks in this group tend to talk about him now and then. Every time someone mentions him, I think that's got to be a fake name. It's as obvious as John Doe. And since no one likes his work, I always think, "Well, how much do you expect from a movie directed by Alan Smithee?" I'm surprised to find out he's real. LOL

57zwoolard
apr 23, 2009, 8:05 pm

I just clicked through the covers of the Guy N. Smith novels listed on the site...and am amazed. Not just one giant crab novel, but a whole series. A book called Satan' Snowdrop. How have I missed this guy?

58saraslibrary
apr 23, 2009, 9:25 pm

How have I missed this guy?

You lucked out, zwoolard. ;) j/k Probably because he's a UK writer and was more popular a couple decades ago. He's one of my favorite guilty pleasures. Try him if you can find a copy.

59Huge_Horror_Fan
apr 24, 2009, 4:08 pm

Message 57: Hey zwoolard, if you like the idea of crabs attacking people, try out CLICKERS. There is a sequel available, which I still have to read but is on top of my TBR Pile: CLICKERS II.

You will not regret reading these...

60LitClique
Redigeret: apr 24, 2009, 5:06 pm

57>I saw Brian Keene post on Twitter (I refuse to use their verb) the other day that he was doing an intro to a Guy N. Smith boxset.

61unorna
jun 10, 2009, 6:18 am

Heyyyyy!!
Guy.N.Smith was one of a host of authors first published by New English Library in the seventies - these writers specialized in potboilers - the Victorians would have called them Penny Dreadfuls. He, along with Robert Lory, Raymond Giles, Errol Lecale and others, delivered a kind of literary fast-food that made no pretensions to style or sophistication. We wolfed it down!!!!(I, along with everyone else. Guilty, guilty guilty!!!)

62jseger9000
jun 10, 2009, 7:42 pm

I read a book called Operation Roswell by Kevin D. Randle. (I guess it's only tangentially horror.) Oh man, was it bad.

As I was reading it, I found myself wanting to edit and rewrite the book.

63KentAllard1
sep 2, 2009, 12:12 am

Anything by Jim Butcher or Charlaine Harris.