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1EGBERTINA
dec 27, 2020, 5:02 pm

Hello. I am new to site, so I hope that I am not doing this wrong.
1. I thought it would be nice to have a feature for Annotated Bibliography permitting several formats.
2. Not very tech-savvy- so I am stuck doing these one by one- it would be handy to have some pre-made lists to ADD automatically. Easier to edit details, later and delete unwanted items- than to look up books one by one.
3. Would be nice to suck up some pre-made lists from Goodreads- without being a member.
4. Would be nice to suck up list from Facebook, as I entered over a thousand books there- years ago. FB is clumsy and erratic in its available selections- but again- would have been easier than starting from scratch. Also, if this feature becomes possible- it would be nice to do it without linking, permanently.

Thank you,

Egbertina

2lilithcat
dec 27, 2020, 5:09 pm

No, you're in the right place to make requests.

But what do you mean by an "annotated bibliography permitting several formats"?

Also, what is a "pre-made" list?

3MarthaJeanne
dec 27, 2020, 5:18 pm

>1 EGBERTINA: Point 1

If you look at any book for which you have entered a valid ISBN, you have various choices for citations in the book details.

For example, your book https://www.librarything.com/work/34166/details/194212024

4MarthaJeanne
Redigeret: dec 27, 2020, 5:26 pm

>1 EGBERTINA: Point 1

If you look at any book for which you have entered a valid ISBN, you have various choices for citations in the book details.

For example, your book https://www.librarything.com/work/34166/details/194212024

BTW, library sources usually have better data than Amazon. If you use Overcat instead of Amazon for your first source, you will get any successful library searches people have done before. I find that entering books one at a time lets me correct any bad data in the source and add my own information right away, keeping my catalogue quite accurate.

5gilroy
Redigeret: dec 28, 2020, 5:51 am

>1 EGBERTINA: If you have the Librarything App, you can scan barcodes of the ISBN relevant books and do it in a much shorter time than entering it manually.

You also can create a comma separated value file (based on the suggested format in the Import screen) and upload the large batch in a short time.

The big idea of this site is to catalog books that MEAN SOMETHING to you. So taking books from Goodreads when it isn't your account goes against the thought process of the site.

6MarthaJeanne
dec 27, 2020, 5:38 pm

>1 EGBERTINA: I have combined several of your singletons.

7lilithcat
dec 27, 2020, 5:51 pm

>5 gilroy:

If you have the Librarything App, you can scan barcodes of the ISBN relevant books

Yes, I know. How is that relevant to my question? The OP said nothing about the App, or about scanning books.

8aspirit
Redigeret: dec 27, 2020, 6:13 pm

>1 EGBERTINA: Welcome to LT!

I seem to spend more time in the Lists section of the site than 99% of members but continue to learn about what we can do there. Here's what I know about existing options...

Not very tech-savvy- so I am stuck doing these one by one- it would be handy to have some pre-made lists to ADD automatically. Easier to edit details, later and delete unwanted items- than to look up books one by one.

Two faster ways to make lists:

(1) go into an existing list and use the "Add to your list" link that's beside each work. You can do that from the main list or from the books under the tab titled "Your collections". That creates a list within the list for your use. For any other works you want to add, you can still go through the slightly longer process of adding to your list with the search button in the top right.*

(2) use tags when creating the list. The feature is finicky, but we can base a list on a tag mash to automatically add matching works.

*Tip: Use the delete button between searches! For too long, I didn't see the button, so I used the slower highlight-delete for each title/author combo. It wasn't more effort than needed.

Would be nice to suck up some pre-made lists from Goodreads- without being a member.

We might not yet be able to a list over automatically, but we can access Goodreads lists without being a member there. If you can set up your screen to show a browser tab with the Goodreads list and another tab with the the LT list you're creating, then the duplication goes fairly quick. (Note: LT doesn't have all the same books as Goodreads.)

Would be nice to suck up list from Facebook, as I entered over a thousand books there- years ago. FB is clumsy and erratic in its available selections- but again- would have been easier than starting from scratch. Also, if this feature becomes possible- it would be nice to do it without linking, permanently.

...Facebook has a booklist feature?

9aspirit
Redigeret: dec 27, 2020, 6:22 pm

>8 aspirit: Another Tip:

You can see where the works within your catalogue are already listed within the Lists section (instead of messages in Talk), by looking through
https://www.librarything.com/profile/MEMBERNAME/stats/lists.

10gilroy
dec 28, 2020, 5:51 am

>7 lilithcat: Referenced the wrong post. Sorry.

11aspirit
dec 28, 2020, 10:01 am

>8 aspirit: correction: "It wasn't more effort than needed."

12EGBERTINA
Redigeret: jan 10, 2021, 10:08 pm

>2 lilithcat:

Thank you for your response.

ANNOTATED BILBIOGRAPHY. A list of Books read, with a description or summary of topics, which must be presented in a specific format. For Instance, Psychology Papers require APA; Sociology required something else that I have forgotten, lol. MLA? It is how they make you format publisher, date, author etc. I've been wanting a complete Annotated Bibliography for years- and I will use my effort here to construct it- but just musing that it would be nice if half the formatting could be done for me.

My thoughts for a pre-made list require a bit of explanation as to how I have experienced the website. First, before I became a member, I peeked here at a "Bookshelf Images" of LANDMARK BOOKS, SCHOLASTIC BOOKFAIR BOOKS, & other "complete work" bookshelves of sets. It would have been nice to have been able to go to LANDMARK bookshelf- click on the images and have them automatically transported to my list. When I was attempting to upload LANDMARK Books, it was really hard for several days. So, I tried to find that Bookshelf that I had seen years ago. Problem is- that I cannot find it when I am logged in. I can only find it by opening a second screen- and not logging in. I had the same challenge with the Scholastic Books. They were all here- and in order- but no way to transfer them to my list- so I had to do it one at a time. I am working on entering all Newberry Award Winners, now- and how handy it would be- if you could just have a pre-made list of Newberry books, Caldecott books, Newberry honor etc etc, and just one click the whole thing into your personal library. Or, have a way to make a little check mark beside each book you want- and then click submit for all your selections to come in at once. And this could be done with any kind of pre-made list - such as all the books by a particular author or all the King Arthur books. If the lists were already on here- then it would be one or two clicks to swoop them in your collection and much less typing

I hope that I have explained that better, now. The first few days- the website would not let me bring in books by clicking on the book title at the right. It was as though, I had to wait until I had X number of books- before that became an option. I was constantly having to include two or three extra steps.

Thank you again. It took me a while to figure out how I got over here.

13EGBERTINA
jan 10, 2021, 9:25 pm

>4 MarthaJeanne: Thank you, yes, I have discovered that OVERCAT is preferable to Amazon. But it would still be easier yet, if we didn't have to manually type in every title. or ISBN, If the book is already uploaded by other members, it would be nice to see an image and checkmark at the left of each book you wanted to drag over to your own collection. That doesn't work for all books, but for numerous titles - it would work.

14EGBERTINA
jan 10, 2021, 9:28 pm

>5 gilroy:
Thank you for your response.

I see your point. Many books have been entered her by many other people. I see numbers anywhere from the hundred to thousands on some titles- books such as those, grouped by library awards, collections, authors, etc- could be check marked- not one at a time- but several at a time- and instantly transferred. Editing particular details of date, publisher, and cover could come later.

Thank you

15EGBERTINA
jan 10, 2021, 9:30 pm

>7 lilithcat:
Hello, I didn't type that set-rude comment above- so I don't know how it got there.

I did see about the App / scanner thing. I opted against it because many of main collections are
before ISBN.

THANK YOU

16EGBERTINA
Redigeret: jan 10, 2021, 9:44 pm

>8 aspirit:
Thank you for your pointers.

LISTS- I have come across them a few times- now that you have given me a link to find it again- I will see if it does that which I am trying to describe.

FACEBOOK- FB did have a book list feature.This last round of updates made it so that I can see the books that I entered- but it will no longer let me add to the books. I complained about it, vehemently, many times when they "encouraged" my feedback. They didn't listen. It is / was under the TAB- MORE- which brings down a list of books, movies, etc. It was all so much easier a decade back. In the end- people kept taking over the books. I would enter a book in English- and someone would change it to German. Later, instead of being a book- some of them were sucked up by advertising and other weird things. So, I lost quite a few of my titles. It was never optimal. At first it would let me type in books that they did not have- but later, if they hadn't heard of it- I had no way to enter it.

Thank you again

17spiphany
jan 11, 2021, 3:30 am

1) LibraryThing isn't really designed for creating bibliographies based on work pages, which seems to be what you are suggesting?

Works are an aggregate of everyone's data -- they do not distinguish between different editions, translations, etc. By contrast, a bibliography must include information about the specific edition of a book that was consulted. I suppose this information could be pulled from the book information in your library, but LibraryThing doesn't store this information in a form that lends itself to automatically generating bibliographies formatted according MLA, APA or whatever. For example, publisher and place of publication are stored in a single field. Additionally, LT's functionality for periodicals is very limited, so it couldn't handle something like journal articles well at all.

If you're not aware, there are numerous programs (Zotero, RefWorks, etc.) that are specifically designed as reference management tools and would be far more suitable to this purpose.

2) It is already possible to view a list of all books that have won a particular award. If you search for the award name, and click on the option "common knowledge" and then "awards" on the left sidebar of the search results page, you can view all books that have won the award, sorted by date, on the award page. This can also be accessed by clicking on the award name in the Common Knowledge field of a book that has won the award.

3) As I understand it, LT's method of adding books to one's library (by searching various sources and adding each book individually) is by design and not likely to be changed. Alternatively, there is a feature for importing groups of books from a spreadsheet. I haven't used this feature, but if this seems like a solution to your needs, I'm sure other users can provide more information.

18EGBERTINA
jan 11, 2021, 5:29 am

>17 spiphany:
Thank you, I saw some youtube videos about the spreadsheet- but I'm not that computery. Additionally, I figured out that once I had entered it all into a spreadsheet- I would have just done all the work that I am currently doing now- so, not sure how that hastens the process.

Thank u again.

19gilroy
jan 11, 2021, 5:47 am

I think I'm seeing a few things which is making it harder to understand, so I want to make sure I've got the terms right.

LISTS = you are referring to a member's catalog listing? At this time, we remind users that Librarything is NOT a source. We are a place to manage details. There is discussion of creating a generic work for when they redo certain pages for the upgrade to Librarything 2.0, but that is a ways off. That generic work would also be limited in detail. If you need full bibliographic data, you'd still need to search for it from another source.

Bookshelf List = Oh this feels like a GoodReads reference. While Librarything offers something known as a bookshelf view on certain pages, we don't really have a true "Bookshelf" list unless someone set up their collections as such.

To also offer a process:
Each book has the possibility of kicking out the bibliography details once it is added to your library (and provided it has an ISBN if I remember correctly.) This can then be copied and pasted to another document. To get it:
1) Click on the book in your library to open the book page
2) In the left hand column, click on Book Details.
3) Scroll to the bottom of the new page that just opened.
4) Click on the needed format.

20EGBERTINA
jan 11, 2021, 7:02 am

>19 gilroy:
Thank you all for being so helpful, but I may have gone past the point of understanding much on this website.

LISTS. I am just picturing how it could be- for beginners, such as I am. There are lists- here and there- across this site- which is expansive- and I doubt that I will ever utilize all that is out there. Yes, It could just be a rudimentary list of titles and authors- all remaining details could be added later. That is all that I am doing now. We are speaking of thousands of books. I don't particularly find any added virtue to hand entering thousands of books at this stage in my life. My first goal was to get them entered in. My second goal has been to tweek the finer points. For instance, after somebody sent me a link to find "lists" - I could go in to a list and click on the titles and send them to my library. It takes five steps- and that is when there are no glitches. I guess I am attempting to envision a process that takes one step. If there were a box to be checked next to the titles in a list- than hit submit- and all those title and authors are instantly uploaded at once. Then, you do, that which I am already having to do, go back and enter in publication, tags, dates read, etc. Then it is personalized to my particular library. Why have the first stage take so much longer? Point is moot- I am nearing the two thousand mark which is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 of my library. ( estimating ). Wouldn't it have been nice to have gotten those first two thousand in (in rough generic format) in one day- instead of one week; especially when you consider the sheer overlap of titles. Some books, that I don't own, can't contribute many particulars unless, I happened to read it the same year that it was published.

"Bookshelf List": This was my invented terminology- I know nothing about Goodreads, other than how to look up a book, when I have wanted, in the past, to find something about said book. I don't know how to describe it more accurately than I have done. There is a place- and I can only find it by googling for it- when I am logged out. My two examples stand. SCHOLASTIC BOOK FAIR BOOKS & LANDMARK BOOKS. When I am logged in, I can find some of those books, but they are not presented in the same format. It factually was an image of books on a "bookshelf" in order of printing/ publication.

Back to my theme of hopeful easy entering into my library- it would have been nice to have been able to click on the image of the books and hit submit- and have them all go into my library at once. Especially, where LANDMARK books are concerned. With few exceptions, most are no longer in print. if I read a Landmark book in the fifth grade, I know with a certainty that it was published before 1974. If I don't have a copy, ( they are hard to come by ) I can only guess as to the year it was published. Moot point- they are already in, now.

SPEAKING OF BOOKSHELF VIEWS: I'm happy enough with my library as it appears; but when I was doing this on FB, years ago. I tried to picture it in my head as they appear on my bookshelves. So, I went to ridiculous pains to drag all my book entries to keep them in order of genre- not order of entry. The LT tags, somewhat compensate for this.

AS FOR AWARDS: I still have been unable to find a list or grouping by award. Most of the Newberrys have been hand entered at this point. Not sure I even want to contemplate Caldecott.

SUMMATION: I was just proposing that rather than ten thousand people take 5 and more steps to hand enter ANNE OF GREEN GABLES- ten thousand times, it would be easier to click Anne, and other titles straight into the libraries- at which point they can take the time to individualize the publications, but the title of the book and author are the constant- not the variable.

Thank you for all your help. I will continue to see if I can find these things to which you refer.

21davidgn
Redigeret: jan 11, 2021, 7:28 am

Wow. Sounds like there's a lot of unnecessary duplication of effort.

Award lists (just as a start):
https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/Newbery+Medal
https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/Newbery+Honor
https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/Caldecott+Medal
https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/Caldecott+Honor

You'll note on the right-hand column that each of the above has overlap (i.e. co-awarded books) with several hundred other awards and distinctions. But if you want to find the broadest overlap, you could try looking at some of these (just off the top of my head):

https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/CCBC+Choices
(overlaps with 1151 other awards)

https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/ALA+Notable+Children%27s+Book
(overlaps with 921)

https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/BCCB+Blue+Ribbon+Book
(overlaps with 610)

https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/IBBY+Honour+Book
(overlaps with 829)

https://www.librarything.com/bookaward/The+White+Ravens
(overlaps with 886)

Take those overlapping lists and de-duplicate, and you've probably got about 99% of the children's book awards entered to date.

22SandraArdnas
jan 11, 2021, 9:59 am

>20 EGBERTINA: SUMMATION: I was just proposing that rather than ten thousand people take 5 and more steps to hand enter ANNE OF GREEN GABLES- ten thousand times, it would be easier to click Anne, and other titles straight into the libraries- at which point they can take the time to individualize the publications, but the title of the book and author are the constant- not the variable.

This has often been requested and it's planned within LT 2.0. It's not a minor project to design such generic one-click-add works that would work with the existing detailed database

23spiphany
jan 11, 2021, 10:30 am

>20 EGBERTINA: For the Landmark Books issue: can you post the URL of the page that you are only able to find when you are not logged in?

I can't tell from your description where you are seeing this, or what sort of page it is (tag? series?).

As far as I know there isn't any major content which can only be viewed when logged out. There are, however, some customizable settings which change the way certain parts of LibraryThing are displayed, so it may simply be a matter of changing your user preferences.

24andyl
jan 11, 2021, 11:34 am

>22 SandraArdnas:

I also don't think that invidualising the publications (by which I think we mean choosing the correct edition) after the input of a base title/author addition of 'Anne of Green Gables' / L.M. Montgomery - is going to be any quicker and require many fewer steps than what we have now.

Of course for those people who don't care about edition and just want title and author it will be great. But if you do care about edition then I don't think it will make much difference either way.

25SandraArdnas
jan 11, 2021, 12:22 pm

>24 andyl: Yes, definitely, if you want detailed data, importing from a good source is quicker. But if you just want to log a book you've read or want to read, generic work makes sense. Once implemented, I'd use them for wishlist and probably most of read-but-unowned

26EGBERTINA
jan 11, 2021, 5:08 pm

>21 davidgn:
Thank you for the lists>. I did not imagine it- they are on a bookshelf.

27SandraArdnas
jan 11, 2021, 5:50 pm

>26 EGBERTINA: By bookshelf you mean the covers shown at the top? Many parts of LT show that. Those were award pages, but if you click any of the 'related' categories on the right there (series, characters places, events, etc), they also show covers of listed books at the top.

Some areas (recommendations and tag pages come to mind) have three viewing options - bookshelf, covers and list. Perhaps that is the reason why you saw some things differently logged out, but you can just change your preferred view while logged in. For instance https://www.librarything.com/tag/Newbery+Medal is a tag page for everything members tagged Newberry Medal. Right to the next button there are 'titles | covers | shelf' options