2Limelite
AZ gov. mutes incoming call from the WH in the midst of certifying state election for Joe Biden. How do we know? The gov's phone plays "Hail to the Chief" when Trump or Pence personally phone. That's the melody heard by the mics present at the signing and played on the national TV stations still broadcasting factual news.
Nobody's going to put their life or career on the chopping bloc to make Trump's clown of a lawyer look good as he chases "smoke" where there's no fire.
Nobody's going to put their life or career on the chopping bloc to make Trump's clown of a lawyer look good as he chases "smoke" where there's no fire.
3prosfilaes
>1 Earthling1: ''And we’re hopeful that they will take the same course of action that the Pennsylvania state legislature is now doing and that they will also reclaim their state legislative authority and take back their opportunity, their mandate and their obligation under the Constitution to select their Electoral College delegation based on the actual election results, counting every legal vote, not based on the corruption and fraud that occurred.''
Right, bang on the constitution, which actually says:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-i... points out how the Supreme Court have said “the appointment and mode of appointment of Electors belong exclusively to the states under the constitution of the United States.” (McPherson v. Blacker (1892)) and “The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for Electors for the President of the United States. . .” (Bush v. Gore (2000)).
I'm not a fan of that, but I'm even less of a fan of Constitution fetishists who don't seem to know what it says. They have no obligation under the Constitution to care about the actual election results.
It's possible state constitutions dictate how electors shall be chosen, and I'm pretty sure that any state that did this would have a huge push to have the state constitution actually state that. I can't find anything in the Pennsylvania Constitution directly on point, but
Pennsylvania Constitution § 13. Contested elections.
The trial and determination of contested elections of electors of President and Vice-President, members of the General Assembly, and of all public officers, whether State, judicial, municipal or local, and contests involving questions submitted to the electors at any election shall be by the courts of law, or by one or more of the law judges thereof. The General Assembly shall, by general law, designate the courts and judges by whom the several classes of election contests shall be tried, and regulate the manner of trial and all matters incident thereto; but no such law assigning jurisdiction, or regulating its exercise, shall apply to any contest arising out of an election held before its passage.
As for Arizona:
Arizona Constitution Article 7, Section 7 Highest number of votes received as determinative of person elected
In all elections held by the people in this state, the person, or persons, receiving the highest number of legal votes shall be declared elected.
I'd suspect that the Arizona Supreme Court would reject any movement to give electors to any one but Biden. I'd hope the US Supreme Court would uphold them; if they didn't, I'd find it a good example of how state rights/federalism* goes out the window when the Republicans feel like it.
* There doesn't seem to be a good non-loaded word here.
Right, bang on the constitution, which actually says:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-i... points out how the Supreme Court have said “the appointment and mode of appointment of Electors belong exclusively to the states under the constitution of the United States.” (McPherson v. Blacker (1892)) and “The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for Electors for the President of the United States. . .” (Bush v. Gore (2000)).
I'm not a fan of that, but I'm even less of a fan of Constitution fetishists who don't seem to know what it says. They have no obligation under the Constitution to care about the actual election results.
It's possible state constitutions dictate how electors shall be chosen, and I'm pretty sure that any state that did this would have a huge push to have the state constitution actually state that. I can't find anything in the Pennsylvania Constitution directly on point, but
Pennsylvania Constitution § 13. Contested elections.
The trial and determination of contested elections of electors of President and Vice-President, members of the General Assembly, and of all public officers, whether State, judicial, municipal or local, and contests involving questions submitted to the electors at any election shall be by the courts of law, or by one or more of the law judges thereof. The General Assembly shall, by general law, designate the courts and judges by whom the several classes of election contests shall be tried, and regulate the manner of trial and all matters incident thereto; but no such law assigning jurisdiction, or regulating its exercise, shall apply to any contest arising out of an election held before its passage.
As for Arizona:
Arizona Constitution Article 7, Section 7 Highest number of votes received as determinative of person elected
In all elections held by the people in this state, the person, or persons, receiving the highest number of legal votes shall be declared elected.
I'd suspect that the Arizona Supreme Court would reject any movement to give electors to any one but Biden. I'd hope the US Supreme Court would uphold them; if they didn't, I'd find it a good example of how state rights/federalism* goes out the window when the Republicans feel like it.
* There doesn't seem to be a good non-loaded word here.
4margd
>2 Limelite: Another righteous Republican. DOJ is currently attempting to protect such election officials.
Trump Is Said to Have Called Arizona Official After Election Loss
Donald Trump tried to reach the top Republican in metropolitan Phoenix as his allies were trying to overturn the state’s 2020 results, according to the official, who said he did not pick up the calls.
Michael Wines and Reid J. Epstein | July 2, 2021
President Donald J. Trump twice sought to talk on the phone with the Republican leader of Arizona’s most populous county last winter as the Trump campaign and its allies tried unsuccessfully to reverse Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s narrow victory in the state’s presidential contest, according to the Republican official and records obtained by The Arizona Republic, a Phoenix newspaper.
But the leader, Clint Hickman, then the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, said in an interview on Friday that he let the calls — made in late December and early January — go to voice mail and did not return them. “I told people, ‘Please don’t have the president call me,’” he said.
At the time, Mr. Hickman was being pressed by the state Republican Party chairwoman and Mr. Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to investigate claims of fraud in the county’s election, which Mr. Biden had won by about 45,000 votes...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/02/us/politics/trump-arizona-hickman-2020-electi...
Trump Is Said to Have Called Arizona Official After Election Loss
Donald Trump tried to reach the top Republican in metropolitan Phoenix as his allies were trying to overturn the state’s 2020 results, according to the official, who said he did not pick up the calls.
Michael Wines and Reid J. Epstein | July 2, 2021
President Donald J. Trump twice sought to talk on the phone with the Republican leader of Arizona’s most populous county last winter as the Trump campaign and its allies tried unsuccessfully to reverse Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s narrow victory in the state’s presidential contest, according to the Republican official and records obtained by The Arizona Republic, a Phoenix newspaper.
But the leader, Clint Hickman, then the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, said in an interview on Friday that he let the calls — made in late December and early January — go to voice mail and did not return them. “I told people, ‘Please don’t have the president call me,’” he said.
At the time, Mr. Hickman was being pressed by the state Republican Party chairwoman and Mr. Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to investigate claims of fraud in the county’s election, which Mr. Biden had won by about 45,000 votes...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/02/us/politics/trump-arizona-hickman-2020-electi...
