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1Joansknight
dec 24, 2018, 10:36 am

hic erit magnus et Filius Altissimi vocabitur et dabit illi Dominus Deus sedem David patris eius

2Joansknight
dec 24, 2018, 10:37 am

et regnabit in domo Iacob in aeternum et regni eius non erit finis

3Joansknight
dec 24, 2018, 6:17 pm

factum est autem in diebus illis exiit edictum a Caesare Augusto ut describeretur universus orbis

4Joansknight
dec 28, 2018, 8:02 am



The Mass is the most beautiful and the best thing in the Church. At the Mass, Jesus Christ giveth Himself to us by means of the Most Holy Sacrament of the altar, which is the end and the purpose of all the other Sacraments.

- Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church (1696-1787)

He is NOT referring to the NOVUS ORDO'S Protestant service either!

5John5918
dec 31, 2018, 2:16 am

From Franciscan Richard Rohr's daily meditations

Jesus: Modeling an Evolving Faith

Ever Ancient, Ever New
Monday, December 31, 2018

"Late have I loved you, O Beauty ever ancient, ever new, late have I loved you! You were within me, but I was outside, and it was there that I searched for you. In my unloveliness I plunged into the lovely things which you created. You were with me, but I was not with you. Created things kept me from you; yet if they had not been in you they would not have been at all. You called, you shouted, and you broke through my deafness. You flashed, you shone, and you dispelled my blindness. You breathed your fragrance on me; I drew in breath and now I pant for you. I have tasted you, now I hunger and thirst for more. You touched me, and I burned for your peace." —Augustine of Hippo (354-430) 1

Within each of us is a deep desire for union and intimacy with God, with our truest self, and with all of Creation. Because life is hard, and we’re wired for survival, we develop coping mechanisms that separate us from each other and God. Thankfully, God is patient and has many ways to reach us. Jesus is one of the clearest, most visible images of God’s love. His teaching and example model for us what it means to be both human and divine—at the same time. He dismantles our preconceived ideas about who and where God is and is not.

Jesus—and others who followed after him like Paul and Francis and Clare of Assisi—made room for the new by letting go of the old. Jesus had the courage and clarity to sort out what was perennial wisdom from what was unreal, passing, merely cultural, or even destructive. John the Baptist described Jesus as a “winnowing fan” that separates the grain from the chaff (see Matthew 3:12). If we don’t winnow, we spend a lot of time protecting “chaff” or non-essentials.

Jesus did not let the old get in the way of the new but revealed what the old was saying all along. Contemporary poet Christian Wiman writes beautifully, “Faith itself sometimes needs to be stripped of its social and historical encrustations and returned to its first, churchless incarnation in the human heart.” 2

Precisely because Jesus was a “conservative,” in the true sense of the term, he conserved what was worth conserving and did not let accidentals get in the way, which are the very things false conservatives usually idolize. As a result, he looked quite “progressive,” radical, and even dangerous.

It might surprise you that Jesus could be considered subversive. Christians often think of him as the founder of a new religion. But that was probably the furthest thing from Jesus’ mind. He was a Jew, through and through. While honoring and emphasizing the essential and core elements of his tradition, he just ignored and even undercut most non-essential religious norms and mandates. This is rarer than you might think and is invariably the character of any true reformer. They know they are merely following the constant thread of Spirit.

1 Augustine of Hippo, Confessions, 10.27. This translation is taken from the Office of Readings on St. Augustine’s feast day (August 28). See http://www.liturgies.net/saints/augustine/readings.htm.

2 Christian Wiman, My Bright Abyss: Meditation of a Modern Believer (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux: 2013), 92.

6Joansknight
jan 1, 2019, 8:22 am

>5 John5918: Blessed & Joyous New Year!

7Joansknight
Redigeret: jan 1, 2019, 10:33 am

>5 John5918: My posts were not posting there for awhile!

8Joansknight
jan 1, 2019, 8:34 am



Neque enim Petri successoribus Spiritus sanctus promissus est, ut eo revelante novam doctrinam patefacerent, sed ut eo assistente traditam per apostolos revelationem seu fidei depositum sancte custodirent et fideliter exponerent. For the Holy Ghost was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by His revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by His assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or Deposit of Faith transmitted by the Apostles.

- Vatican Council, Constitutio Dogmatica Prima de Ecclesia Christi (Pastor Aeternus), chap. 4, De Roma

9Joansknight
jan 1, 2019, 10:09 am

Happy New Year my friend!

10Joansknight
jan 1, 2019, 10:37 am

>5 John5918: I thought LT was blocking me from posting there for awhile....I know Tim does NOT like me!

11Joansknight
jan 1, 2019, 11:36 am

>5 John5918: I guess you like NEW more then the TRUTH....

12John5918
jan 1, 2019, 11:44 am

Let me wish you a peaceful and blessed new year, Joansknight. LT had a problem for a few days - I and many others also couldn't post. It seems to be fixed now. See http://www.librarything.com/topic/301071

Are NEW and TRUTH mutually exclusive?

13Joansknight
jan 1, 2019, 11:49 am

NO....TRUTH is ONLY what Christ's Church says IS TRUTH! Do you deny the the DOGMAS of Christ's Church!?!?

14John5918
jan 2, 2019, 3:13 am

>13 Joansknight:

You haven't answered the question. Are NEW and TRUTH mutually exclusive?

From Richard Rohr today:

Jesus clearly believed in change. In fact, the first public word out of his mouth was later translated into the Greek imperative verb metanoeite, which literally means “change your mind” or “go beyond your mind” (see Matthew 4:17 and Mark 1:15). Unfortunately, in the fourth century, St. Jerome translated the word into Latin as paenitentia (“repent” or “do penance”), initiating a host of moralistic connotations that have colored Christians’ understanding of the Gospels ever since. The word metanoeite referred to a primal change of mind, worldview, or way of processing and perceiving—and only by corollary about a specific change in behavior. This common misunderstanding puts the cart before the horse; we think we can change a few externals while our underlying worldview often remains narcissistic and self-referential.


Metanoia is and always has been a key part of the dogma of Christ's Church, so it seems Christ's Church teaches that change (ie NEW) can be TRUTH.

15John5918
jan 3, 2019, 2:20 am

From Richard Rohr today, quoting Brian McLaren:

For centuries, Christianity has been presented as a system of beliefs. That system of beliefs has supported a wide range of unintended consequences, from colonialism to environmental destruction, subordination of women to stigmatization of LGBT people, anti-Semitism to Islamophobia, clergy pedophilia to white privilege. What would it mean for Christians to rediscover their faith not as a problematic system of beliefs, but as a just and generous way of life, rooted in contemplation and expressed in compassion, that makes amends for its mistakes and is dedicated to beloved community for all? Could Christians migrate from defining their faith as a system of beliefs to expressing it as a loving way of life? . . .

For centuries, Christians have presented God as a Supreme Being who showers blessings upon insiders who share certain beliefs and proper institutional affiliation, but who punishes outsiders with eternal conscious torment. Yet Jesus revealed God as one who “eats with sinners,” welcomes outsiders in, and forgives even while being rejected, tortured, and killed. Jesus associated God more with gracious parental tenderness than strict authoritarian toughness. He preached that God was to be found in self-giving service rather than self-asserting domination. What would it mean for Christians to let Jesus and his message lead them to a new vision of God? What would it mean for Christians to understand, experience, and embody God as the loving, healing, reconciling Spirit in whom all creatures live, move, and have their being?

For centuries, Christianity has presented itself as an “organized religion”—a change-averse institution or set of institutions that protects and promotes a timeless system of beliefs that were handed down fully formed in the past. Yet Christianity’s actual history is a story of change and adaptation. We Christians have repeatedly adapted our message, methods, and mission to the contours of our time for example, the Second Vatican Council within Catholicism. What might happen if we understood the core Christian ethos as creative, constructive, and forward-leaning—as an “organizing religion” that challenges all institutions (including its own) as Jesus did to learn, grow, and mature toward a deepening, enduring vision of reconciliation with God, self, neighbor, enemy, and creation? . . .

If such a migration is possible, how would we describe that way of life toward which we are moving?

If we are to be truly Christian, it makes sense to turn to Jesus for the answer.

Of the many radical things said and done by Jesus, his unflinching emphasis on love was the most radical of all. Love was the greatest commandment . . . his prime directive—love for God, for self, for neighbor, for stranger, for alien, for outsider, for outcast, and even for enemy, as he himself modeled. The new commandment of love John 13:34 meant that neither beliefs nor words, neither taboos, systems, structures nor the labels that enshrined them mattered most. Love decentered everything else; love relativized everything else; love took priority over everything else—everything.

16Joansknight
jan 3, 2019, 10:54 am

>14 John5918: I must be really stupid....I do NOT understand the question....I ONLY understand the DOCTRINES of Chist's (true) Church....

17John5918
jan 3, 2019, 11:04 am

>16 Joansknight:

I sometimes wonder whether you do understand the doctrines.

18Joansknight
jan 3, 2019, 11:19 am

I do....TRUST me!

19John5918
jan 3, 2019, 11:36 am

>18 Joansknight:

I think if you did you might recognise that the doctrines of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church do not encourage small groups of people with websites to split from the authority of the church and to deny the authority of Peter's successors.

20Joansknight
jan 3, 2019, 11:43 am

Once AGAIN you DENY the possibility of an ANTI-POPE....you deny that A MANIFEST HERETIC can NOT be pope! I had my concerns long BEFORE I found MHFM....I have a CONSCIENCE!

21Joansknight
jan 3, 2019, 4:18 pm



The Church is the only one, the Roman Catholic! And if there were left upon earth but one Catholic, he would be the one, universal Church, the Catholic Church, the Church of Jesus Christ against which the gates of Hell shall never prevail.

- Ven. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)

>19 John5918: Oops....my bad....I keep forgetting....you do NOT like Catholic prophesy....ONLY what your NEW "popes" and "saints" have to say!

22John5918
jan 3, 2019, 11:23 pm

>21 Joansknight:

And if every single individual decides that he or she is "the only one, the Roman Catholic"? On what criteria and authority does a small group decide that it doesn't accept the authority of the papacy - not just a single pope who might become rogue, or a situation where there are two or three people claiming the papacy as at Avignon, but a period of 70 years when they have rejected the authority of six popes duly-elected by the College of Cardinals in conclave, and accepted by the sensus fidei, the assent of the Catholics of the world?

23John5918
Redigeret: jan 4, 2019, 2:49 am

Fr Richard Rohr again:

The New Testament shows history working in a way that is both evolutionary and positive. See, for example, Jesus’ many parables of the Kingdom, which lean heavily on the language of growth and development. He uses metaphors of the seed, the maturing ear of corn, weeds and wheat growing together, and yeast rising. His parables of the “Reign of God” are about finding, discovering, being surprised, changing roles and status. None of these notions are static; they are always about something new and good coming into being.

Why do I think this is so important? Frankly, because without it we become very impatient with ourselves and others. Humans and history both grow slowly. 1 We expect people to show up at our church doors fully transformed and holy before they can be welcomed in. But metanoeite, or change of consciousness, can only come with time. Patience is the very shape of love. Without it, religion is merely about enforcing laws and requirements. Without an evolutionary worldview, Christianity does not really understand, much less foster, growth or change. Nor does it know how to respect and support where history is heading.

Anything called “Good News” needs to reveal a universal pattern that can be relied upon, not just clannish or tribal patterns that might be true on occasion. This is probably why Christianity’s break with Judaism was inevitable, although never intended by either Jesus or Paul. Both Jesus and Paul were good Jews who thought they were reforming Judaism. By the early second century, Christians were already calling themselves “catholics” or “the universals.” At the front of their consciousness was a belief that God is leading all of history somewhere larger and broader and better for everyone. Christianity cannot be bound by ethnicity or nationality. This puts it in essential conflict with any group that wants to domesticate the message for its own “patriotic” purposes.

Without a universal story line that offers grace and caring for all of creation, Jesus is always kept small and seemingly inept. God’s care must be toward all creatures; otherwise, God ends up not being very caring at all, which makes things like water, trees, animals—and other peoples—seem accidental, trivial, or disposable. But grace is not a late arrival in history, an occasional add-on for a handful of humans. God’s grace and life did not just appear a couple thousand years ago when Jesus came, and his story was told through the Gospels. God’s grace cannot be a random solution doled out to the few and the virtuous—or it would hardly be grace at all! (See Ephesians 2:7-10 if you want the radical meaning of grace summed up in three succinct verses.)

What if we recovered the sense of God’s inherent grace (the Holy Spirit whom we called “Uncreated Grace”) as the primary generator of all life? We are, of course, in evolution all the time. To deny change and growth is to deny the obvious, yet humans seem good at that. The ride is the destination, and the goal is never clearly in sight. To stay on the ride, to trust the trajectory, to know it is moving, and moving somewhere always better, is just about the best way to describe religious faith.

24John5918
jan 5, 2019, 12:31 am

From today's Liturgy of the Hours, Morning Prayer:

Wisdom is a reflection of the eternal light, untarnished mirror of God's active power, image of God's goodness. Although alone, she can do all; herself unchanging, she makes all things new. In each generation she passes into holy souls, she makes them friends of God and prophets.


Wisdom 7:26-27

26Joansknight
Redigeret: jan 5, 2019, 11:37 am

"I was born in the village of Domremy...My father is called Jaques d'Arc; my mother, Ysabelle. From my mother I learned my Pater, my Ave Maria and my Credo."

~Jeanne d'Arc
Trial Ex Officio

On January 6, 1412, the people of Domremy , France , experienced a great joy. Not only was it the feast of the Epiphany of Our Lord, but the gift of a child's birth was also cause for celebration.

Hours before dawn, throughout the village roosters could be heard crowing. As they had announced the birth of Our Lord Christ, so too now the roosters were proclaiming to the people of Domremy the birth of the saviour of France and a saint.

I am a day early....I could NOT contain myself....

27John5918
Redigeret: jan 5, 2019, 12:01 pm

>26 Joansknight:

I wish you a happy and holy feast day celebrating the birth of your favourite saint.

28Joansknight
Redigeret: jan 5, 2019, 12:05 pm

The Epiphany of our Lord is far more relevant....as St. Jeanne would most assuredly point out....thank you!

292wonderY
jan 5, 2019, 5:13 pm

A blessed Epiphany to y'all. I celebrate by watching two favorite films.

The Nativity Story is so gorgeous and personal.

The Star of Bethlehem is an examination of scripture and astronomy. It blows my mind every time.

30John5918
jan 6, 2019, 12:20 am

Likewise, a blessed and peaceful Epiphany to all.

31Joansknight
jan 6, 2019, 9:33 am

32Joansknight
jan 18, 2019, 11:21 am

2 Paralipomenon 19:2- “Thou helpest the ungodly, and thou art joined in friendship with them that hate the Lord, and therefore thou didst deserve indeed the wrath of the Lord.”

33Joansknight
jan 19, 2019, 8:58 am

St. Augustine (391): “Sara said: ‘Cast out the bondwoman and her son; for the son of a bondwoman shall not be heir with my son Isaac’ (Gen. 21:10). And the Church says: ‘Cast out the heresies… for heretics shall not be heirs with Catholics.’”

34Joansknight
jan 21, 2019, 9:34 am

Proverbs 15:8- “The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord…”

35Joansknight
jan 21, 2019, 12:42 pm

>30 John5918: I guess you have NO response....or you could care less....so could the NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY!

36John5918
Redigeret: jan 21, 2019, 1:52 pm

>35 Joansknight:

No response. You are quoting texts which are part of Catholic tradition, so I have no issue with them. Of course your interpretation of said texts may differ from that of the Catholic Church, but I've learned that there is no point in engaging with you on these differences, as your response is usually to avoid any rational engagement on the issue and to label me a heretic and the Catholic Church as apostate. Let's agree to disagree.

37Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 9:35 am

>36 John5918: I know we disagree....you are obviously more intelligent than I am....does that make you right!?!? I know Catholic Dogma....I know how the Catholic Church and its pope are suppose to conduct themselves....I know the clergy of the Catholic Church are NOT child molesters!I know the Catholic mass is NOT suppose to be a Protestant service....I know the Blessed Sacrament is NOT to be placed off to the side....like our LORD doe NOT matter....when you change or interpret Catholic Doctrines to please "man" and NOT God....I know that it is NOT Catholic....I know that the VATICAN II SECT is NOT Catholic....I know you ARE a HERETIC!

38Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 9:49 am

>36 John5918: I also know the Catholic Church would NOT ever obliterate the Feast Days of holy men & women of the Church....like St. Jeanne d'Arc!

39Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 10:01 am

>36 John5918: Its funny....you think you know it all....but....I know the TRUTH!

40Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 10:20 am

Deceiver: someone who causes others to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid

Deception implies imposing a false idea or belief that causes ignorance, bewilderment, or helplessness

Delude implies deceiving so thoroughly as to obscure the truth

Anti-Christ: one who denies or opposes Christ; specifically: a great antagonist expected to fill the world with wickedness but to be conquered forever by Christ at his second coming

Imagine waking up one morning and realizing that everything you believe in is a lie...in 1958 the seeds for deception were planted and with the aid of Satan the con would be successful and thrive.

When people aren’t happy with theirs lives they search for ideas and ways to bend the rules. When the times change they insist the old ways are wrong and fruitless.

41Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 10:57 am

>36 John5918: I am happy you can sleep so well....I can NOT....I have a conscience!

42Joansknight
Redigeret: jan 22, 2019, 12:57 pm

Sleep well my friend....>36 John5918:.....

43Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 12:59 pm

>36 John5918: It IS obvious to me....you CARE nothing about the TRUTH!

44Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 1:00 pm

>36 John5918: So....why care at all!?!?

45Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 1:30 pm

I just may be wrong here....but ....I am beginning to think >36 John5918: is a HOMOSEXUAL....this may be why he supports the VII SECT!?!? I pray I am wrong!

46Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 1:31 pm

This may be what gets me me blocked from LT....so be it!

472wonderY
jan 22, 2019, 3:50 pm

>45 Joansknight: You might notice how John perseveres in love and charity towards you. You seem to run short of that sometimes.

48Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 4:34 pm

>47 2wonderY: I have plenty of love....otherwise I would NOT emphasize the TRUTH!

492wonderY
jan 22, 2019, 4:36 pm

Do you think your post in #45 represents love or truth?

50Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 4:36 pm

>47 2wonderY: You own Denzinger....and still....you deny the TRUTH and are a HERETIC....that is NOT enough love for you!?!?

512wonderY
jan 22, 2019, 4:39 pm

>50 Joansknight: It appears I borrowed it from the library ten years ago. It made no lasting impression on me, it seems.

52Joansknight
jan 22, 2019, 6:20 pm

>51 2wonderY: Not enough love in it for you!?!?

53John5918
jan 23, 2019, 9:35 am

>41 Joansknight:, >42 Joansknight: I am happy you can sleep so well... Sleep well my friend....

Thanks for your concern. Although the temperature is 35C outside, I've been facilitating quite a big ecumenical conference on advocacy for peace in South Sudan, and I've had no trouble falling asleep at night with a clear conscience that I'm doing whatever little I can for peace.

54Joansknight
jan 23, 2019, 4:20 pm

>53 John5918: Be safe....God be with you....

55Joansknight
jan 24, 2019, 9:05 am

>53 John5918: How do you do that....I'd like to use that technique!?!?

56Joansknight
jan 24, 2019, 9:08 am

>51 2wonderY: Catholic Dogma makes NO GREAT IMPRESSION on you!?!? You sound like a TRUE BLUE VII HERETIC!

57Joansknight
jan 25, 2019, 12:14 pm

You all may think this very weird....but my Christmas tree and Nativity set are still up!

58John5918
jan 25, 2019, 2:43 pm

>57 Joansknight:

In my native UK we have a tradition that the Christmas tree etc should come down on Epiphany, but I don't think it's compulsory or anything.

592wonderY
jan 25, 2019, 8:03 pm

>57 Joansknight:. You might notice that I fully approve of the Nativity beyond the ‘proper’ season. Can you post a picture?

60Joansknight
jan 29, 2019, 9:44 am

>59 2wonderY: I am sorry....I do not....

61Joansknight
jan 29, 2019, 9:49 am

Pope Pius XI: "Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side." (Mit Brennender Sorge #9, March 14, 1937)

62Joansknight
jan 31, 2019, 6:28 pm

Pope Leo XIII: “The Church, founded on these principles and mindful of her office, has done nothing with greater zeal and endeavor than she has displayed in guarding the integrity of the faith. Hence she regarded as rebels and expelled from the ranks of her children all who held beliefs on any point of doctrine different from her own.” (Satis Cognitum # 9, June 29, 1896)

63Joansknight
feb 7, 2019, 9:25 am



Saint Athanasius, to whom it was objected, "You have the bishops against you," answered with Faith: "that proves that they are all against the Church."

- Saint Athanasius (ca. 296-373)

64Joansknight
feb 7, 2019, 9:30 am

Pope Pius IX: "… the new heretics who call themselves 'Old Catholics'... these schismatics and heretics... their wicked sect... these sons of darkness... their wicked faction… this deplorable sect… This sect overthrows the foundations of the Catholic religion, shamelessly rejects the dogmatic definitions of the Ecumenical Vatican Council, and devotes itself to the ruin of souls in so many ways. We have decreed and declared in Our letter of 21 November 1873 that those unfortunate men who belong to, adhere to, and support that sect should be considered as schismatics and separated from communion with the Church." (Graves ac diuturnae #'s 1-4, March 23, 1875, on the "Old Catholics" who reject Vatican I's definition of Papal Infallibility)

65Joansknight
feb 17, 2019, 9:30 am

St. Francis De Sales: "And to say that the Church has failed - what else is it but to say that all our predecessors are damned. Yes, truly; for outside the Church there is no salvation, out of this Ark every one is lost." (The Catholic Controversy, p. 59)

This most definitely includes the NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY!

66Joansknight
feb 17, 2019, 11:29 am

I guess being in denial is easier then accepting that one is deceived by the devil....

67Joansknight
feb 17, 2019, 1:07 pm

I have said it a million times....I will say it again....the weak minded follow the Pied Piper....the weak minded follow the NOVUS ORDO APOSTASY!

68Joansknight
mar 2, 2019, 8:43 am

Pope Pius IX: “If anyone shall have said that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certitude by those things which have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema.” (First Vatican Council, Against Atheism, Session 3, On Revelation, Can. 1)

69Joansknight
mar 17, 2019, 9:16 am

Blessed & Joyous St. Patrick's Day!

70John5918
mar 17, 2019, 9:35 am

Indeed. Patrick is remembered as a great missionary, and I'm privileged to be staying in a missionary community as we celebrate his feast. A blessed and peaceful feast day to all.

71Joansknight
mar 17, 2019, 10:01 am

>70 John5918: even me!?

72Joansknight
mar 17, 2019, 10:07 am

>70 John5918: You are NOT a missionary for the Catholic Church though....as St. Patrick was!

73Joansknight
apr 13, 2019, 9:32 am

Profession of Faith under Pope Paschal II, Lateran Council, 1102: “I declare anathema every heresy and especially the one which disturbs the position of the present Church, which teaches and declares that excommunication is to be despised and that the restrictions of the Church are to be cast aside. Moreover, I promise obedience to Paschal, the supreme Pontiff of the Apostolic See, and to his successors under the testimony of Christ and the Church, affirming what the holy and universal Church affirms and condemning what she condemns.” (Denz. 357)

74Joansknight
apr 13, 2019, 6:05 pm

St. Augustine (395): “This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall not conquer her.”

76Joansknight
Redigeret: apr 14, 2019, 9:29 am

>70 John5918: Blessed Palm Sunday....wishing I had a Catholic church....so I could have attended Palm Sunday mass!

77John5918
apr 14, 2019, 9:38 am

>76 Joansknight:

To you also, a blessed Palm Sunday, and the ensuing Holy Week.

78Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 10:01 am

>77 John5918: May I ask just ONE question!?!?

79John5918
apr 14, 2019, 10:26 am

80Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 10:29 am

>79 John5918: When it is as CLEAR as day....why do you REJECT the TRUTH....why do you REJECT Christ's CHURCH!?!?

81Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 10:38 am

>79 John5918: Do you NOT have any concept of COMMON SENSE....do you truly BELIEVE the lies and DECEPTIONS told to you....are you EVEN capable of thinking for YOURSELF!?!?

82Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 10:52 am

>79 John5918: 1) You REJECT Catholic Doctrine
2) You REJECT Catholic prophesy
3) You FOLLOW the DOCTRINES of MAN
4) You believe it is OKAY for a "Catholic priest" to be a homosexual....shall I go on!?!?


83Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 10:55 am

>79 John5918: NO response....how surprising....

84Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:15 am

>79 John5918: LIES & DECEPTIONS are far easier to accept then the TRUTH....keep on FOLLOWING the PIED PIPER!

85John5918
apr 14, 2019, 11:19 am

Well, that's a bit of a leap from wishing me a blessed Palm Sunday.

You believe the truth as you see it, I believe the truth as I see it. You accept Christ's Church as you experience it, I accept Christ's Church as I experience it. I interpret the doctrine of the Church through the lens of the mainstream Roman Catholic Church, you interpret it through your own lens. I follow common sense as it appears to me, you follow common sense as it appears to you. I think for myself, you think for yourself. I inform myself from the wealth of resources which the Roman Catholic Church offers me, you appear to inform yourself from a website run by a couple of brothers in the USA (my apologies if I am mistaken there). I don't know what you mean by the "DOCTRINES of MAN", but I do believe that humans are made in the image and likeness of God - the old pre-1958 catechism taught me that.

Once again, have a blessed Holy Week.

86Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:19 am

>79 John5918: By all means....keep FOLLOWING Francis....REJECT Christ!

87Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:21 am

>85 John5918: your "Church" is NOT Catholic!

88John5918
apr 14, 2019, 11:21 am

>86 Joansknight:

Well, Francis is a saint of the pre-1958 church and I believe he has a lot to teaech us in terms of following Christ.

89Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:23 am

>88 John5918: Then you are more IGNORANT then I thought! You LOVE your HOMOSEXUAL "priests"!

90Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:25 am

>88 John5918: How many INNOCENT lives have to be ruined before you accept the TRUTH!?

91John5918
apr 14, 2019, 11:40 am

Well, I'm just back home from a Vatican conference on nonviolence, so Francis of Assisi is very much in my mind at the moment. Why does that seem "IGNORANT" to you? I'm not sure why you are so interested in homosexual priests. I'm not. You're certyainly correct, though, that innocent lives are being ruined by violence all over the world. That's one of the reasons for my interest in nonviolence and my attendance at the Vatican conference last week..

92Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:45 am

>91 John5918: You accept APOSTASY & HERESY....just say so!

93Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:47 am

Francis IS your CHRIST....very sad!

94Joansknight
apr 14, 2019, 11:49 am

>91 John5918: You PUT MAN before Our LORD....I get it!

95Joansknight
Redigeret: apr 14, 2019, 4:50 pm

>91 John5918: I will pray for your SOUL....I assume you have one....ONLY God knows....Francis is NOT God....or pope!

96John5918
apr 14, 2019, 12:21 pm

Thanks for your prayers - we can never get enough of them. Likewise, I pray for you.

97Joansknight
apr 22, 2019, 9:35 am

St. Ambrose (382): “There are not enough hours in the day for me to recite even the names of all the various sects of heretics.”

98Joansknight
apr 25, 2019, 8:50 am

St. Ignatius (110): “Do not err, my brethren: the corrupters of families will not inherit the Kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death, how much more if a man corrupt by evil teaching the faith of God, for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man so foul will depart into unquenchable fire; and so also will anyone who listens to him.”

99Joansknight
apr 27, 2019, 8:10 am

St. Francis De Sales (1602): “Thus we do not say that the Pope cannot err in his private opinions, as did John XXII; or be altogether a heretic, as perhaps Honorius was. Now when he (the Pope) is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church…”

100John5918
Redigeret: apr 28, 2019, 2:24 am

A nice quote from Franciscan Fr Richard Rohr's daily meditation:

Many of the saints said that no one is going to hell unless they want to. God condemns no one to hell, unless they themselves choose to live in hatred, evil, and disharmony. Then they are already living in hell here and now. God just gives them what their lives show they want.

Most of the world religions have some concept of heaven and hell. Why? Because human freedom matters. We have to be given the freedom to say no to love and life, and one word for that is hell.

Pope John Paul II, who certainly was not a liberal, reminded listeners that heaven and hell are not physical places at all; they’re states of being in a living relationship with God or choosing separation from the source of all life and joy. 1 And, if that’s true, there are plenty of people on earth who are in hell now. They often choose to be miserable, hateful, negative, and oppositional. They love to exclude people who are different from them.

St. Catherine of Siena (1347–1380), whose feast we will celebrate tomorrow, received a vision of Jesus Christ as a bridge reaching from heaven to earth, forever joining “humanity with the greatness of the Godhead.” 2 Catholic Worker founder Dorothy Day (1897–1980) was fond of citing Catherine’s inspiration in her own reflections, often writing “All the way to heaven is heaven.” 3 I’d also add “It’s hell all the way to hell.” You’re choosing your destiny right now. You are responsible, not God. Do you want to live in love and communion? Or do you want to live in constant opposition to others and life itself?

As we observe our politics, antagonism appears to be the primary style of communication today—how to fight and win, how to be suspicious, how to be hateful, how to tell lies. Who can we exclude now? Which race, religion, or group is unworthy? (All in the name of God, remember!) That’s simply hell right now. And an awful lot of people, even those who call themselves Christian, appear to be living in a hell of their own construction. That’s why Jesus can say, “I do not know you” even to those who “ate and drank in his company” (see Luke 13:25–27)!

Heaven is not about belonging to the right group; it’s not about following the correct rituals. It’s about having the right attitude. There are just as many Muslims, Hindus, and Jews who are in love—serving their neighbor and the poor—as there are Christians. Jesus says there will be deep regret—“wailing and grinding of teeth” (Luke 13:28)—when we realize how wrong we were, how thoroughly we missed the point. Be prepared to be surprised about who is living a life of love and service and who isn’t. This should keep us all humble and searching and recognizing it’s not even any of our business who’s going to heaven and who’s going to hell. What makes us think that our little minds and hearts could discern the mind and heart of anyone else?

1 Pope John Paul II, General Audiences on the topics of heaven (July 21, 1999) and hell (July 28, 1999). Full texts of these addresses can be found at https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/audiences/1999.index.html.

2 Catherine of Siena, The Dialogue, trans. Suzanne Noffke (Paulist Press: 1980), 59.

3 Dorothy Day, The Catholic Worker (May 1970). This article (and many others that include this phrase) can be found by browsing online archives at https://www.catholicworker.org/dorothyday/browse/.

101Joansknight
apr 28, 2019, 8:20 am

>100 John5918: I believe it would be easier for you to say....that you reject Catholic Dogma....which I already knew!

102John5918
apr 28, 2019, 8:25 am

>102 John5918:

No, I believe it's easier to say here's a quote from a priest in good standing with his ancient religious order, quoting Catholic sources, and giving food for thought for thoughtful Catholics.

103Joansknight
apr 28, 2019, 9:11 am

>102 John5918: You know of only one Catholic....as far as I know!?!?

104John5918
apr 28, 2019, 9:12 am

>103 Joansknight:

You really should try to stop reading people's minds. You're not very good at it, my friend.

105Joansknight
apr 28, 2019, 9:13 am

>104 John5918: Thank you for saying I am your friend....

106John5918
maj 6, 2019, 12:34 pm

>105 Joansknight:

You're welcome. Sorry for the delay in replying - I was travelling.

107Joansknight
maj 6, 2019, 1:15 pm

>106 John5918: Travel safely!

108Joansknight
maj 9, 2019, 9:30 am

Pope St. Celestine I (431): “… pray that the faith may be granted to infidels; that idolaters may be delivered from the errors of their impiety; that the light of truth may be visible to the Jews, and the veil of their hearts may be removed; that heretics may come to their senses through a comprehension of the Catholic faith; that schismatics may receive the spirit of renewed charity…” (Denz. 139)

109Joansknight
maj 11, 2019, 7:42 am

Pope Pius XI (1937): “Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God.” (Mit Brennender Sorge #7)

110John5918
Redigeret: maj 11, 2019, 1:58 pm

>109 Joansknight:

The good pope is of course correct. I think though there is often confusion in people's minds between pantheism ("lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God", as the pope says) and panentheism (the fact that God is in everything), which is of course perfectly orthodox.

111Joansknight
maj 11, 2019, 12:35 pm

>110 John5918: You are correct....but the good and TRUE pope is referring to those who do NOT acknowledge that fact....if one means to say God....one should NOT say MAN or WORLD....one who TRULY believes in God will say so....placing Him above EVERYTHING....it would be more accurate to say that God is the CREATOR of EVERYTHING!

112Joansknight
maj 12, 2019, 9:40 am

St. Francis De Sales (1602): “As to decrees on doctrines of faith they are invariable; what is once true is so unto eternity…”

113John5918
maj 13, 2019, 2:53 am

The all-powerful truth of the Trinity is the Father, who created us and keeps us within him. The deep wisdom of the Trinity is our Mother, in whom we all are enfolded. The exalted goodness of the Trinity is our beloved Lord: we are held in him and he is held in us. We are enclosed in the Father, we are enclosed in the Son, and we are enclosed in the Holy Spirit. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are enclosed in us. All Power. All Goodness. All Wisdom. One God. One Love


Julian of Norwich, Fourteenth Revelation, chapter 54, See The Showings of Julian of Norwich, trans. Mirabai Starr (Hampton Roads: 2013), 149-150.

114Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 9:29 am

Fr. Leonard Feeney (1952): “There is not a single person in the United States, who has the use of reason, who does not know that Jesus Christ is the crux of the whole world’s salvation or damnation. There is not a person who does not somehow sense, in the depths of his mind, that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ, and that it is, therefore, the true Church.”

115Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 9:53 am

Doris Day passed away this morning....she was 97!

116Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 10:54 am

Maybe >113 John5918: does NOT know who Doris Day is!?!?

117John5918
Redigeret: maj 13, 2019, 11:43 am

>116 Joansknight:

Yes, I know who Doris Day is, and I also know who Dorothy Day is, but I'm not sure what it has to do wiuth >113 John5918:, nor why you might expect a comment from me on the death of a singer/film star.

118Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 11:46 am

>117 John5918: Apparently her soul does not matter to you!?

1192wonderY
maj 13, 2019, 11:51 am

>118 Joansknight: That's an off-the-wall remark.

120Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 11:53 am

>119 2wonderY: Forgive me for mentioning her death!

1212wonderY
maj 13, 2019, 11:59 am

If I were responding to that, I would have referenced >115 Joansknight:. It's your rudeness to John I speak of.

122Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 12:05 pm

>121 2wonderY: He is a HERETIC....as you are....he is also an idolator....he believes God is EVERYTHING....including the rocks around my house....the two of you follow the WAYS of MAN....just admit it!

123John5918
Redigeret: maj 13, 2019, 12:15 pm

>122 Joansknight: he believes God is EVERYTHING....including the rocks around my house....

I thought we had clarified that back in >110 John5918:?

124Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 12:14 pm

>123 John5918: Is God Buddha....Allah....if He is....you ARE a HERETIC!?!?

125Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 12:16 pm

>123 John5918: The stones around my house are NOT God....MAN put them there though....God created them!

126John5918
Redigeret: maj 13, 2019, 12:17 pm

>125 Joansknight: the rocks around my house

We have rocks around our house and we are planning to make a grotto with a statue of Our Lady, which will be a nice place for people to pray. We're also thinking of making an outdoor Way of the Cross eventually.

127Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 12:19 pm

>126 John5918: You truly believe our LORD are those rocks....IDOLATOR!?!?

128Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 12:20 pm

>126 John5918: You also believe....FRANCIS is God....

129John5918
Redigeret: maj 13, 2019, 12:30 pm

>127 Joansknight:, >128 Joansknight:

I really wonder where you get these ideas from, and how you manage to attribute them to me. Where have I ever said that the rocks or Francis (whether the founder of the Franciscan order or the current pope) are God? If you'd like me to begin clarifying all the things that I have never said are God, perhaps I can start by stating categorically that I do NOT believe that the Soup Dragon nor Paddington Bear are God.

130Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 12:32 pm

>129 John5918: You said....and I quote...."God is EVERYTHING"!

131John5918
Redigeret: maj 13, 2019, 2:00 pm

>130 Joansknight:

No, I didn't. I said very clearly that God is in everything, which is not the same thing. Again, see >110 John5918:. Do you and your fellow Sedevacantists deny that God is omnipresent, which is another way of saying God is everywhere, which includes in everything?

132Joansknight
Redigeret: maj 13, 2019, 4:24 pm

>131 John5918: Sources of Catholic Dogma Denzinger....I am going to go pray to the rocks outside my door now....

133Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 4:27 pm

>131 John5918: YES GOD is EVERYWHERE....ONLY our souls matter to Him NOTHING of this world does....for one day....He WILL destroy it and all that is on it!

134Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 4:36 pm

>131 John5918: Does your physical existence and all your material possessions mean so much to you!?!? You have NO clue....why God even put you here! It is YOU who matters to God....NOTHING in this world matters to Him but the SOULS who have lived here....there is NOTHING more IMPORTANT then the SALVATION of our SOULS....our earthly "families" do NOT even matter....our LORD and our SALVATION comes BEFORE all....does your HERESY & APOSTASY believe that!?!?

135Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 4:38 pm

>131 John5918: The rocks are waiting for me....

136Joansknight
maj 13, 2019, 4:59 pm

>131 John5918: "Our LORD first served" St. Jeanne d'Arc....BUT what does she know!?!?

138John5918
Redigeret: maj 14, 2019, 3:26 am

My friend, you are ranting again, and once again this is descending into farce. This thread could be an interesting conversation where we explore the differences and similarities between Sedevacantism and mainstream Catholicism, and try to understand each other. Instead you have repeatedly turned it into a rant against me and one or two other posters who have tried to engage with you. You make wild, baseless and frankly ludicrous allegations about what we believe, when really you have no clue what we believe, and you ignore it when we explain how your allegations are misplaced. When asked to explain your beliefs you provide very little in the way of a response except to scream HERETIC and to make fresh allegations out of thin air about what we supposedly believe.

Why do I continue? Partly in the (baseless?) hope that I will broaden my understanding of the world by learning more about Sedevacante, which genuniely interests me, as do many religious phenomena. Partly because you apparently get so upset when nobody replies to you. Are you lonely? It costs me nothing to respond to you, and if that makes you happy, I'm willing to continue.

Let me add one piece of advice, as a "professional" Catholic missionary of more than forty years experience. If you want to convert someone to your point of view, even if you think they are misguided and you want to "save their soul", screaming HERETIC, making wild and potentially offensive accusations and refusing to engage rationally on points of disagreement is not the most effective way to go about it. Paraphrasing Francis (the old one, not the new one), preach the Gospel constantly; use words (only) if you have to.

141Joansknight
Redigeret: maj 14, 2019, 12:55 pm

>138 John5918: This is YOUR "CATHOLIC" church....ttps://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/news/catholic-bishop-predicts-that-new-radical-changes-are-coming-in-the-v2-sect-the-whore-of-babylon/

142Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 8:19 am

St. Patrick (450): “In the Kingdom of God nothing is desired that may not be found: but in hell, nothing is found that is desired. In the Kingdom of God there is nothing that does not delight and satisfy; while in that deep lake of unending misery nothing is seen, nothing is felt, which does not displease, which does not torment.”

143John5918
maj 15, 2019, 10:32 am

>142 Joansknight:

I've always liked Patrick. Although I'm not Irish myself (more's the pity with Brexit coming up!), I had four Irish great-grandparents, I grew up with Irish Catholics in England, and I spent much of my life working alongside Irish missionaries.

144Joansknight
Redigeret: maj 15, 2019, 12:05 pm

>143 John5918: St. Patrick is actually British....I am part Irish!

145Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 12:07 pm

>143 John5918: Sounds like you lack valuable knowledge about saints....it seems you pick and chose what you wish to know....just like you do about the Catholic Church!

146Joansknight
Redigeret: maj 15, 2019, 12:11 pm

147John5918
maj 15, 2019, 12:36 pm

>143 John5918:

Yes, I'm well aware that Patrick was British. But he is the patron saint of Ireland, and performed his ministry there, hence the Irish connection.

148Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 12:39 pm

>147 John5918: I know that as well....he was actually Roman British!

149Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 12:42 pm

>147 John5918: I also know....St. Patrick was a TRUE Catholic missionary....

150John5918
maj 15, 2019, 1:03 pm

>149 Joansknight:

Indeed he was.

151Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 1:18 pm

>150 John5918: The snakes....he expelled from Ireland....were not snakes at all....they were HERETICS....the essence of SATAN!

152Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 1:20 pm

>150 John5918: Sad to say....I can NOT say the same for you....

153Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 1:24 pm

Deceiver: someone who causes others to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid

Deception implies imposing a false idea or belief that causes ignorance, bewilderment, or helplessness

Delude implies deceiving so thoroughly as to obscure the truth

Anti-Christ: one who denies or opposes Christ; specifically: a great antagonist expected to fill the world with wickedness but to be conquered forever by Christ at his second coming

Imagine waking up one morning and realizing that everything you believe in is a lie...in 1958 the seeds for deception were planted and with the aid of Satan the con would be successful and thrive.

When people aren’t happy with theirs lives they search for ideas and ways to bend the rules. When the times change they insist the old ways are wrong and fruitless.

154Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 1:34 pm

>150 John5918: Look at the world we live in....see how important MAN has made himself....and his ways....then close your eyes....imagine a world with CHRIST in it....

155Joansknight
maj 15, 2019, 2:36 pm

>150 John5918: You are not ONLY the DECEIVER....but the DECEIVED....by SATAN himself!

156Joansknight
maj 20, 2019, 10:37 am

“The perverse are hard to be corrected, and the number of fools is infinite.” (Ecclesiastes 1:15)

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