On what a 'carnivore', who loves 'baby lambs', should do?

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1guido47
Redigeret: jul 2, 2013, 6:34am

Hi Group,

I wasn't really sure where I should post my thoughts ... So you lot got it :-)

I do love animals, and am moved by "cute" ones.

Yet I eat them. Roast Lamb, Veal... Yep, I eat them all.

I wonder how those of you, who are also 'carnivors', who also go 'gaa gaa goo goo, over a lamb', say,

justify/explain yourself?

I know I can't.

Your ideas/observations?

Guido.

ETA. idiom.

2RickHarsch
jul 2, 2013, 6:40am

Urania is the expert. But, you know, sacred cows in India do die--them that die natural, eat. Let them live, eat them when they die. Sorry about the veal.

3A_musing
jul 2, 2013, 9:00am

Ultimately, we all choose our own circle of Hell.

4RickHarsch
jul 2, 2013, 9:02am

Yours will be shared with RASK!

5MeditationesMartini
Redigeret: jul 2, 2013, 11:53am

I oscillate. Right now I'm off meat because of my niece, Luisa "I'll have a veggie dog because they're not made of amminals" McCarvill-Russo. As a life practice, I try just not to keep any meat in the house, which means we eat mostly big salads, rice messes, egg piles, and the like. I guess the principle is reducing the cognitive dissonance before swallowing it?

6RickHarsch
Redigeret: jul 2, 2013, 5:34pm

I oscillated once, but it was an early teen experiment.

7IreneF
jul 2, 2013, 7:13pm

In the natural world, if you don't eat it, someone else will. All flesh is prey.

When I'm the one doing the food shopping, I go for animal products where I think the creatures have been humanely treated. Grass-fed beef, for example, is healthier than beef that's "finished" on grain. Pasture butter is healthier and tastier than regular butter.

8vy0123
jul 2, 2013, 8:48pm

I understand eating less meat correlates to longer, healthier living. After being vegetarian for a number of years, the first taste of meat was disgusting but you become desensitised. I find vegetarian restaurants calmer.

9IreneF
jul 2, 2013, 8:55pm

In certain respects, vegetarian diets are healthier, but in others they aren't. It's complicated.

I haven't noticed vegetarian restaurants being calmer. When I ate at Greens here in SF I couldn't hold a conversation with my husband.

10LolaWalser
jul 2, 2013, 8:56pm

You should do what you are able to do, Guido. If it bothers you enough that you can give it up, give it up. If not, think about feeling guilty about it as the price you pay for your pleasure.

11RickHarsch
jul 3, 2013, 1:00am

Studies based on the 'selfish gene' theory are saying, more or less, that the vegetarian (to put it simply) diet is healthier, yes, but we had to figure it out as we really have no need to prolong our lives after a certain period and would go down calmly eating meats and fats if we hadn't this bizarre desire to live beyond the biologically necessary tipping point.

12vy0123
jul 3, 2013, 8:20am

Mmm. Frenched lamb cutlets.

13RickHarsch
jul 3, 2013, 11:23am

Giant calamari are pulling ashore just across the bay....

14Sandydog1
Redigeret: jul 3, 2013, 1:58pm

Stir-fried 17-year Cicadas!

(Rats, they're out of season)

15RickHarsch
jul 3, 2013, 2:43pm

Not everywhere.

16jbbarret
jul 3, 2013, 2:51pm

>14 Sandydog1: Rats are never out of season.

17guido47
jul 4, 2013, 5:43am

Well, #16, Max keeps bringing them in, only the young ones, and then eats them (head first)
and every now and then he 'regurgates" them. If I'm quick enough I can 'mop up/pick up the pieces' :-)

But MAX is an 'oblegate carnivore'. I am not.

And thanks to all the 'vegetarians' who made me feel even more guilty, but you might have noticed, in my OP, I did say ...I wonder how those of you, who are also 'carnivors'....

Yep, vegetarianism, is one answer. (although can anyone explain VEGANISM to me. It's not like we are 'killing anything") Honey? Sheesh!

G.

19guido47
Redigeret: jul 4, 2013, 6:34am

Thanks #18, Rick?

Yes I do understand that some animals have to be exterminated. eg. Rabbits in Australia.
And we have had the same problem on "Lord Howe Island" and several other 'Antarctic Islands'
where introduced 'rats' and other animals have taken over. I do know that 'baby': Rats & Rabbits (bunnies) are cute yet, I feel I could still (humanely) kill them. The Pest! The greater good?
OMG. that does sound too much like a thing I do hate.

I hope you appreciate my quandry?

ETA. I just realized that the question is 'what value do you place on an animals versus humans life?'
I know this sounds like "Philsosopy 101". Probably is.

20RickHarsch
jul 4, 2013, 7:51am

And the cane toads are in getting killed killing dward crocs. I say the crocs should grow the fuck up, eh?

21guido47
Redigeret: jul 4, 2013, 9:33am

Naw, The 'rotten Cane Toads' were only introduced here in the '30's. And have finally reached the NT (Northern Territory)
Our crocs have been around at least 400? Million years. Blame it on Tectonic plates.

Cane toads? Not suited/wanted here in Aussie.

But still, just an animal. T'is our fault.

ETA. Rick, what is a " dward"? If you mean "dwarf", I have never heard of a "dwarf" crocodile.
All the ones I have ever seen are bloody big. Try 5 m.+ for a max. OK. That one might have been 6 M. BIG!

22RickHarsch
jul 4, 2013, 9:33am

It's a dwarf spelled by a dork.

23Sandydog1
jul 7, 2013, 11:52pm

Wildlife management. What a sad oxymoron...

24RickHarsch
jul 8, 2013, 4:52am

dwarf crocodiles, you can look iit up--and I've seen them in India (at the crocodile farm, or whatever they call it, south of Chennai)

25guido47
jul 8, 2013, 6:27am

Thanks Rick.